Prabhupāda: Money is the only aim. And they will talk all nonsense and make experiment, especially in the Western countries. Here also they have got now money-making sight. Lawyers also. Any . . . I have seen in our relatives, big, big rich men. The brothers may sit down and make some . . . my father-in-law did that. They sat down, and they were two brothers, and divided his property and got, two days. But those who are rascals, they go to lawyer and continually meeting—his man, his man. In this way the whole property is sold. And they get out with this. That's all. I have seen so many cases. Then the property division means there is nothing to divide. Everything is sold, and the money was taken by the lawyers as their fees. I have seen so many cases. These real estate men? Real estate?
Gurukṛpā: Real estate.
Prabhupāda: They also. So many times they complicated our men. You know that?
Satsvarūpa: The first time?
Prabhupāda: Yes. They'll promise . . . you have got five thousand dollars. They'll promise hundred thousand dollars' property you'll get, and how it will be done, this scheme, that scheme . . . "We'll do this scheme, that . . ." Then they will take five thousand dollars from you, and they will say: "Now it is finished. Now bring more money." Then further made . . . that lawyer who was trying to give me a permanent visa?
Satsvarūpa: Yeah, some Greek name.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Fishlington or something like that.
Satsvarūpa: Mitralanti or something.
Prabhupāda: Ah. So he was taking every fortnightly 150 dollars by telephone, and Rāyarāma, he was paying. He took about five hundred, six hundred dollars and did not do anything, simply extending the date. The lawyers will plunder. The government men will plunder. The physician will plunder. Ordinary dealing, they will plunder. The shopkeepers will plunder. The . . . and bank will say that, "You take money. You pay your bills. We'll give you loan, we'll charge interest." And when you get your salary, then you have to deposit it in the bank, and they'll adjust—and again you are penniless; again you take loan. The social arrangement is so made that you simply depend on loan. And to earn this money you'll have to go five hundred miles away from your home, early in the morning, in the car.
Gurukṛpā: And in the train.
Prabhupāda: Train also. So how you can be happy? This is their civilization. You study. I have studied in your country, everywhere. This is civilization.
Gurukṛpā: Our printing man from Dai Nippon . . . the printing man who was doing our book from Dai Nippon, he would come to the house at eight-thirty at night. And he lives . . . every day he travels two hours to Dai Nippon in the morning and at night another two hours.
Prabhupāda: Just see. Many. Why Dai Nippon?
Gurukṛpā: But this was eight-thirty at night he came. And I asked him, "What do you go?" . . .
Prabhupāda: No, Bombay. Bombay, Calcutta.
Gurukṛpā: I asked him, "What time do you go to work?" He said: "At nine in the morning." I said: "But it is eight-thirty. You have been working now eleven hours." He said: "Well, after I leave here, I must go back to the office, finish my work. I will be finished at eleven tonight. Then I will go home. And I will get home at one o'clock, and then I must get up at six in the morning to go to the office." So much tapasya.
Prabhupāda: There is a book, novel. The subject matter is that the man, when he goes out of home the child is sleeping. He has to rise four o'clock to prepare to take the six o'clock train. At that time his child is sleeping. And when he comes back at ten o'clock, his child is sleeping. So he does not know. So when he's grown up, on Sunday he's asking his mother, "Who is this man?" (laughs) This is the subject matter. They have written in a very . . . he is asking, "Who is this man?" When he was child, he did not see, neither inquired. Now, when he's grown up, on Sunday he sees that this man is very intimately talking with his mother. He . . . in this way . . .
Gurukṛpā: The poor man, his office is cheating him, and then his wife stays home and spends all his money, and he is being cheated by her.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He comes, taking so much trouble for the wife. He will lie down with her from eleven at night up to three o'clock. For that, that is home. This is his home. And to maintain this home, he has to take so much trouble. And this is civilization . . . (indistinct) . . . he does not think, "For this little happiness why I am here? Better to become a sannyāsī and live independently. Why I'm taking so much . . .?" No. And after working so hard, in old age if you ask permission from the wife, "I have done so much for you, for family. Now let me retire." "Eh? You'll retire? Then who will look after me?" The home member not satisfied, and you are not satisfied. You are working so hard—how you can be satisfied? And they find still insufficient income. They are not satisfied. But what is this home? To sense gratification. You are not serving this woman. Because this woman, as soon as she is not able to serve you by her sex, then there is divorce. Nobody's serving anybody, but everyone is serving his own senses. So actually the man is serving his own senses, uṣṭra. He's eating his own blood and thinking, "Thorn very palatable." He's eating thorn. What is his palatable? Cutting the tongue and blood is coming out, and when the thorn's chewed with this blood, it makes little taste. Blood has got taste. And he's thinking, "Thorn is very nice." Therefore they have been called as uṣṭra. Uṣṭra eats own, drinks or eats his own blood, and takes the thorn as very good. Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-khara (SB 2.3.19). These animals have been specially mentioned: dog; viḍ-varāha means hog; uṣṭra; and khara means ass. How Bhāgavata has selected. (laughs) Śva means dog. Dog, after technical education, if he does not get a post where he can use this computer and other big, big . . . he's a dog. He goes to a bank, "Sir, I am expert in this machine work. Can you give me a job?" "No, no. There is no vacancy." Then again he puts his tail, goes another, another. What is the use, this? The big, big technologists, unless they get a suitable job, they're just like dog. Dog is loitering in the street, no food. So these men with all this high technological knowledge, if they do not get a proper master, they are nothing but dog. This is university education. So dog and hog. Hog means he can eat any nonsense thing, whole day working, if he gets sex—never mind whether mother, sister or daughter or any. You see the hog's family. They are very much sexually inclined, without any discrimination, and eating stool. This is his life. You see nowadays this man, he's eating anything, the hog's intestine. What is that?
Gurukṛpā: Sausage.
Prabhupāda: Very good food. What is that? Hog intestine. Hog is eating stool, and the intestine is filled up with the stool, and they have to clear it out. When it is boiled there is a so bad smell. And that is very palatable. And by eating, as soon as he gets little strength, then sex, without any discrimination. So hog. Śva-viḍ-varāha. And the uṣṭra. Uṣṭra I have already explained, camel. And then ass. Śva-viḍ-varāha-uṣṭra-khara. Khara means ass. Now, why the ass has been mentioned? And he's work with the washerman, and he loads tons of cloth to take him to the ghāṭa where he'll wash, and give him a little grass. And he'll stand whole day. And again load and again come. He has no eyes to see that "Grass is everywhere, every . . . why I am engaged in this washerman? Whose cloth? It is not neither my cloth nor his." But he is working, "Oh, washerman is giving me grass."
Gurukṛpā: Everybody is ass.
Prabhupāda: So therefore these four animals have been mentioned: śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ. And he is, this class of men, selecting a leader by vote, democracy. So this class man intelligence, just see. And what class of man he will select? And how we become to be. how we desire to be happy by such elected men who is elected by these dog, hog, camel and asses? Are there any intelligent? And you expect good government, peaceful state and . . . and the śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ. Therefore the others, they went to see the lion. So dog, hog, camel, ass will . . . "Oh, he's a lion." But what is a lion? It is also an animal, big animal. That's all. Similarly, the so-called president and leader and Gandhi, they are also another animal, big animal. So does it mean an animal big and very powerful, he has got the human intelligence? This is civilization. And when you say the right thing, that human life is meant for understanding God and prepare for the next life—"brainwash." This is life. To remain like hog, dog, camel and asses and go on, be engaged in politics and election—"Then you are right." And if you speak against this mode of civilization—"brainwash."
Satsvarūpa: They're especially upset when they see a young man join Hare Kṛṣṇa and give up—give up his career, give up going to the university.
Prabhupāda: Yes.