Dr. Patel: Who is walking?
Prabhupāda: Huh? You are walking, I am walking.
Dr. Patel: Our body is walking.
Prabhupāda: So, so long you are . . .
Dr. Patel: Body is matter.
Prabhupāda: . . . in the body, so we have to behave duality. (laughter) You cannot say oneness. When you are liberated from the body, that is another thing. For practical purposes . . . This philosophy was discussed by the mother of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu when He was a child. This philosophy. Caitanya Mahāprabhu was given very nice sweetmeats to eat. So instead of eating the sweetmeat, He was eating the dirt. So mother said: "My dear child, why You are eating dirt? I have given You sandeśa." "Mother, what is the difference between this dirt and sandeśa? It is all Brahman." You see? So His mother said: "My dear child, You are all right. Just like this is earth, and there is earthen pot. So if you want to keep water, you cannot throw the water on the ground. You have to take the earthen pot." So this philosophy of oneness and difference was already discussed when Caitanya Mahāprabhu was a child. Simultaneously one and different. Yes. Earthen pot and earth, actually, from the material point of view, they're the same thing. But if you want to keep water you cannot keep it on the ground. You have to take to the jug. (Hindi) (break)
Dr. Patel: I promise you I won't. Because you are trying to choke me.
Prabhupāda: No, I am not . . . we should have discussion. That is nice.