Śyāmasundara: So big industrialists and field workers are two different species of men.
Prabhupāda: Not species, class. Jāti.
Śyāmasundara: Jāti. So when you say 400,000 species of human life...
Prabhupāda: It is difference of culture.
Śyāmasundara: It's different from what we think of as species.
Prabhupāda: Culture.
Devotee: It's not species in the bodily...
Karandhara: So the angle of vision is not from the bodily, it's from the closeness of the soul to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, as far as they're able...
Prabhupāda: Unless you accept soul and consciousness, there cannot be question of culture.
Śyāmasundara: But when the scientists say "species," they mean different types of bodies.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We say 400,000 different forms of body, so human body, just like Negroes, they are also human beings, and you are also human beings. So this, scientists will say they are all one species, human being. But we say that Negro culture and the Āryan culture is different.
Śyāmasundara: They also say their bodies are different, Negroid bodies or Caucasian bodies, or Oriental bodies...
Prabhupāda: Then you can say species. Species and the different bodies.
Śyāmasundara: Species means different bodies. too
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Karandhara: So the consciousness, the body, or my form, it's pertaining to my consciousness, the development of my consciousness.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You and your brother may be of the same type of body; there may not be a different, same type of consciousness.
Śyāmasundara: But you just said, for instance, the industrialist and farmers are two different species of men, but there could be a Negro industrialist...
Prabhupāda: I already said that. Why don't you listen? Species, definition of the scientists is different from ours. We say class.
Śyāmasundara: I'm trying to understand, because you said class but then you also said bodies. Negro bodies are different from white Caucasian bodies.
Prabhupāda: Maybe difference of bodies. But that does not...; therefore our classification on the basis of soul. The soul is equal. In spite of different types of body, the soul is one. There is no change of the soul. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that he does not see the species or the class or definition. He sees one: paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ (BG 5.18). Paṇḍita, one who sees to the (indistinct), the soul, he does not find any difference of these species or (indistinct). This is our point.
Karandhara: So Darwin and similar material scientists, they have no information of the soul, but yet they're...
Prabhupāda: There they're missing the whole point.