Prabhupāda: So? Now, this nationalism idea, so you have trace out the whole history. By introducing nationalism, what improvement gave? Nationalism era, it began in Europe, the Romans. They wanted to spread. Where are the Romans now? Carthagian . . . (indistinct) . . . Egyptian, Grecian, then, later on, Moguls, then British. So where are these groups? "Combined together, exploit others." That was, that means, a gang of rogues. Rogues and thieves, they . . . And by doing that, what they have actually done? The Romans, now their broken buildings are there. And people go to see the fun, how they used to enjoy. What is that called?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Coliseum. That's the Greek Coliseum, they . . .
Prabhupāda: By keeping one lion and fighting him, and it is enjoyed. What is this? What they have gained? In this way, the privileged . . . is it not subject perception? What Napoleon has done? Or Hitler has done? Or Churchill has done?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What about nationalism here in India?
Prabhupāda: They are imitating. What Gandhi has done? These things are cheating, spoiled. Then they have now a slogan to drive away poverty. Vivekananda imitated, daridra-nārāyaṇa-sevā. That Vivekananda started his mission in India hundred years ago. Why there are so many daridras lying on the street at night? Hmm? Everywhere. Here you can say: "India is poverty-stricken." That is your imagination. Accepting that, those who are materially opulent, why they are also, they're lying on the street? What is the answer? Why in Bowery Street they are lying on the street? Why in the Bedford Park the English boys are lying on street?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I don't know . . . (indistinct) . . . one verse can be quoted that because of one's connection with the modes of material nature . . .
Prabhupāda: Amsterdam, who they are, lying on the street in center of Europe? What have they done about these poor? On the other hand, the poor have learned how to utilize unrestricted sex and indulge in gambling and intoxication.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: For example, in America we find that the less intelligent persons are engaging in illicit sex life, so naturally they have more children, and they're eating meat, so the children are very . . .
Prabhupāda: And female . . . and women, girls.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah.
Prabhupāda: As the man becomes unrestricted in sex life, he has no potency. Either he becomes impotent or he can bring out some girls. We see practically from our association. Mostly they are begetting girls.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: From our what, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Our association.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Our society.
Prabhupāda: Those who are married society. These boys are begetting mostly girl, because they have lost their potency.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I know most of our Life Members, because they're a little bit regulated, mostly sons—three sons, one daughter; four sons, one daughter. It's very common.
Prabhupāda: Yes. If not equal quality quantity.