Rāmeśvara: Now in the Western countries, the standard of culture and education is coming from the idea of the Renaissance in Europe.
Prabhupāda: That is not culture. That is not culture. As soon as you change, that means it is not culture. It is mano-dharma, mental concoction. Culture is never changed, Renaissance and Fennaissance.
Rāmeśvara: This is something that has been constant for many hundreds of years, the idea that a man is learned when he is well-learned . . . when he is educated in many different fields—literature, art, music.
Prabhupāda: That does not mean the original culture will be lost. That is not culture.
Rāmeśvara: No. But this is their argument, that the standard in America is that you become learned in different fields: science, music, art, literature. But in our Hare Kṛṣṇa movement we are isolating all these things and simply reading one set of literature—Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: And therefore our people cannot speak about art, music . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. We want to stop your nonsense. That is our mission. Those who are intelligent, they have taken. And you also take. It will take some time.
Rāmeśvara: Another big argument is regarding the children. They say that "You believe in free choice. So suppose the children grow up and they want to go to college. But you have not sent them to a public school; therefore they are not eligible for going to college."
Prabhupāda: No, it is . . . They are saved from becoming like you or hippies. You'll become hippie after going to the college. So they are saved. You'll become naked and you'll have, like cats and dogs, sex on the street. But these children are saved.
Rāmeśvara: But what if they change later on in their life?
Prabhupāda: They have become Kṛṣṇa conscious from the very beginning. That is the perfection of life. They are perfect from the very beginning of their life. And you are going to school, college; you are becoming most uncivilized, cats and dogs. So what is the value of this education? Phalena means result. Result is hippie. So what is the use of Western . . . Stop all these colleges and universities. The sooner these are stopped, it is better for the human beings. We want to stop it. That is our . . .
Rāmeśvara: Of course, if we tell them that, then they will think that we are anarchists.
Prabhupāda: Whatever you say, but we want to stop this nonsense, that in the name of education producing hippies. We want to stop it. You may take us whatever you like. We want gentlemen, not this hogs' and dogs' naked dancing. But you are hogs and dogs; you accept. But we cannot accept. We are birds of the same feather. We are cleansed. Let them become hogs and dogs. But still the university platform. So we want to stop this. Is that education?
Rāmeśvara: Now they say if we are thinking of our members to be gentlemen, then why is it that when they go to the airports they are bothering so many people?
Prabhupāda: They are not bothering; they are educating. You take . . . A rascal, when he is advised . . . A thief when he's advised, "Kindly do not become a thief," he takes it botheration. But that is good advice.
Rāmeśvara: But they say it is invasion of privacy.
Prabhupāda: Eh? Why privacy?
Rāmeśvara: They say every man has the right to think the way he wants.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore I have got the right to think like that.
Rāmeśvara: So if I don't want to hear your philosophy, why are you imposing?
Prabhupāda: It is not imposing. It is good philosophy. We are canvassing, "Take it. You'll be benefited." And they are being benefited. Those who are reading, they are being benefited. Just like we are canvassing. We are Americans. You are not benefited. Therefore you are . . . Our Guru Mahārāja, Indian, he is not coming. We are doing, because we are benefited. We know we are benefited. Therefore it must be spread. That is our success. "Good thing must be given." Why you are advertising big, big hoarding, "Please come and purchase Ford car," "Please come and purchase Chevrolet car"? Yearly. Why you are canvassing?
Rāmeśvara: Because we think it is nice. To make money.
Prabhupāda: Ah. Why you are imposing your so-called goodness to others and spending so much money? Why you are doing?
Rāmeśvara: It is not as physical. It is just mental.
Prabhupāda: Well, physical, mental, that's right. You are so intelligent that you make distinction between physical and mental. They're all . . . (indistinct) . . . You are so intelligent. Without mental, is there any physical? Then why you engage psychologist? They may be physical madman. Why you take him as psychologist? Why? Now you're discriminating mental and physical. If mental has nothing to do with physical, then why you employ psychologist to cure a madman from physical violence? You are so fool. Without mental pain, there is no physical pain. Without mental derangement, there is no physical disturbance. Who commits suicide? Who commits murder unless he's mentally deranged? You are very intelligent, that you want to make differentiation between physical and mental. There is differentiation. But cure physically; naturally they'll become sound. Otherwise why so many psychologists, psychiatrists, are employed in your country?
Rāmeśvara: It is a booming business, big business.
Prabhupāda: Our business is sai vai manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayoḥ (SB 9.4.18). First of all is mentality. Man-manā mad-bhakto. Mental cure, then physically devotee. "Always think of Me." This is the cure, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto (BG 18.65). Beginning: always think of Kṛṣṇa. This is the treatment. It is proved. Mentally he'll be cured. And then physically also. Nice . . . (indistinct) . . . They do not know how things are happening. (japa) Thinking, feeling, willing. First of all thinking, then feeling, then willing, then working. (break) . . . and spending for military strength. They are not performing yajña, so how there will be rainfall? There will be warfare, devastation. Most rubbish civilization, modern—misleading, soul-killing. Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānāḥ (SB 7.5.31). Very difficult to live with them. Still, we have to do this Kṛṣṇa's business. So we have to do our business. Let the dogs bark on. We don't care for it. If we remain sincere to Kṛṣṇa, that is our victory, not the result. Karmaṇy evādhikāras te mā phaleṣu kadācana (BG 2.47). We have to act according to direction of Kṛṣṇa, that much. We want to see good result. Even there is no good result, we don't mind. We must be sincere to Kṛṣṇa, that "We have done our best." That's all. Without cheating Kṛṣṇa. That is our duty. As servant, we shall not cheat the master. Result, no result—that depends on Kṛṣṇa. We should not be sorry if there is no result. Never mind. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that "I have brought in Benares hari-nāma, but here they are full of Māyāvādīs. So if it is not sold, all right, I shall take it back." Caitanya Mahāprabhu said. So we should not be anxious whether the things are sold or not. But we must do our best canvassing work: "Please take it." That is our duty.