Student: "Just as boyhood, youth and old age are attributed to the soul through this body, he, the soul, obtains another body. The wise man does not get deluded about this."
Prabhupāda: Yes. Now, this wise man, the word, Sanskrit word, is dhīra. Dhīra means that one who is undisturbed in mind. And our disturbance of the mind is due to our ignorance. Suppose I want to go somewhere. Now I am in the station. And actually, it so happened when I came to New York first from India. I was to be dispatched to Butler by the bus station. But I was a new man, I did not know the rules and regulation. Of course, somebody was guiding me. Still, I was very much in disturbed condition, how to get on the bus, how to get the ticket, how . . . all these things. So disturbance of mind is due to our ignorance.
(someone enters) Yes. Come in. (chuckles) Yes. So disturbance of mind is due to our ignorance. So here, a very nice word.
(aside) You can come here. All right.
Here a very nice word is used: dhīra. Dhīra. Dhīra means undisturbed. Undisturbed.
So this we should, we should carefully note, that our mind in the material condition is always disturbed, always disturbed. And this is due to our unfavorable condition. Because we are actually spirit in identity, and we have been put into material conditions. We can very well experience. And we have . . . I got experience, and here is Captain Pandia. He has also experienced. He may be more than experienced than me.
When we passed through the sea on the ship, although we are on the sea, quite safe, still, when there is some storm, when there is some disturbance on the ocean, we also become very much disturbed, because that situation is foreign to us. You see? We are not so much disturbed in the land as we are disturbed in the ocean, because we know that our position in the ocean is not our natural condition. So we should note, that disturbance is due to our unnatural condition. Otherwise, there is no question of disturbance.