Devotee (1): . . . people say, when you talk to them of going to the spiritual world, they say they would believe if there was someone present that has come back to tell them of the spiritual world. But otherwise . . .
Prabhupāda: How he will believe that someone has come? The first . . . next question will be, how you will believe, I will present a man?
Śrutakīrti: They don't believe.
Prabhupāda: Then what is the use of bringing that man?
Śrutakīrti: We tell them that you have come, (Prabhupāda laughs) but they'll not accept it.
Prabhupāda: No, I have come, and that I shall think over. First of all let me know how you will believe. Suppose if I say, "I have come from spiritual world," will he believe?
Śrutakīrti: That's what I'm saying. No, they don't.
Prabhupāda: Therefore the method of his believing I must know. Then I present the man. What is the method of believing? Otherwise I can say, "I have come from spiritual world. You believe me." Will he believe it? Will he?
Devotee (1): Well, I would, but I do not think . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, you may. You are my disciple; you may believe. But will he believe?
Devotee (1): No, he will not believe. No.
Prabhupāda: Then let me know first of all how he will believe. Then according to his belief, I shall bring man.
Śrutakīrti: By seeing some miracles, they will believe.
Devotee (1): Someone with three heads possibly, or . . .
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee (1): They would believe if someone with three heads came, possibly.
Prabhupāda: There is sometimes a child is born with three heads. Sometimes it is. (laughter)
Devotee (1): Yes.
Prabhupāda: Therefore in Bhagavad-gītā it is said, idaṁ te na atapaskāya (BG 18.67). Those who have no life of penance and austerities, don't talk with them. It will be a waste of time. You know that there is verse in the Bhagavad-gītā? In Eighteenth Chapter. Idaṁ te na atapaskāya, māṁ ca yaḥ abhyasūyati: "Persons who are envious of Me and those who have not undergone austerity and penances, don't talk with them." But we take the risk. We go even to these rascals. Because for Kṛṣṇa's sake, "Never mind, it will take some time. Let me try this rascal." Therefore the easiest process is that every rascal will agree to take nice food and dance. So induce them to come to us, dance, and take nice food. Let them come on this ground. And by hearing Hare Kṛṣṇa, gradually they will be all right. This is the policy. So far argument, logic, philosophy is concerned, they are beyond it. Because they are animal. They cannot understand.
Devotee (2): You have said it's just like when someone has jaundice and he sees everything as yellow, and you cannot convince him if something is white.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the . . .
Devotee (2): He must become purified.
Prabhupāda: So therefore the treatment is, some way or other, induce them to come and chant and dance with us and take prasādam. This program should be accelerated.
Śrutakīrti: Spiritual life starts with the tongue.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is . . . Sevonmukhe hi jihvādau (Brs. 1.2.234).
Devotee (3): Like, Śrīla Prabhupāda, the solicitor there last night. When I first made contact with him, he took two days to think about it whether he would act for us or not. And now, through association, he's becoming more purified, stopped eating meat, stopped smoking cigarettes, and now he likes us very much.
Prabhupāda: He is being purified himself?
Devotee (3): Yes.
Prabhupāda: So we have to take little patience. That is preaching work. Don't be impatient. Let us do our duty on behalf of Kṛṣṇa. Even the result is not very appreciable, still we have to do it. This is preaching. Just like Nityānanda Prabhu. He was hurt by Jagāi-Mādhāi. Still, He determined, "No, these two boys must be delivered." This is the example. "Never mind they have injured Me; still, I shall deliver them." And He did it. They became Vaiṣṇava. So our preaching determination should be like that, not that we are failure in some cases, and therefore give it up. No. This is our business. We must go on doing this. Failure or success, it doesn't matter. Caitanya Mahāprabhu said to preach. He never said, "If you are failure, don't preach." Never said that. Yāre dekha, tāre kaha kṛṣṇa-upadeśa (CC Madhya 7.128): "Whomever you meet, you just give him the instruction of Kṛṣṇa." He never says that "If somebody does not hear you, don't do it." No. Kṛṣṇa said that "Don't talk with the fools and rascals and those who are not undergone some penances." Kṛṣṇa said. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu is so kind. He said, "To everyone said."
Śrutakīrti: So we are following Lord Caitanya's . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like I came to Western country with no hope. I knew that my Godbrother, Bon Mahārāja, came; he failed. Then Gosvāmī Mahārāja was there, so many svāmīs and yogīs came here, nobody could turn them. So I came here just with a purpose, "Let me try." But I was not hopeful at all. But Kṛṣṇa's grace, it is now successful.