Interviewer: Where is the right balance in this modern world?
Prabhupāda: Balance is that you should be reciprocal exchange. What you haven't got, you give me; what I haven't got, I give you. This should be the process of exchange. Then the world will be united, when there is exchange of gifts. But our India followed the principle for begging. "Give me men. Give me money. Give me wheat. Give me rice. Give me war materials." Simply begging. So we must give something. This is the first time we are giving something. Otherwise, India was a beggar simply to the Western countries. For their technical education they are going to this, and when there is war, they are asking America, "Please give us war materials." And when they give war materials to Pakistan we become envious. But you are also taking rice, ḍāl . . . (indistinct) . . . so why should you remain beggar?
Interviewer: Finally, Swāmījī, what is the relevance of Kṛṣṇa consciousness in our modern society?
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Interviewer: What would be the relevance of Kṛṣṇa's teaching in . . .
Prabhupāda: Relevance mean you are spirit soul. You are not this body. This thing first you have to understand. Ahaṁ brahmāsmi. That is India's philosophy, that "I am spirit soul." And if you realize brahmāsmi, brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na . . . (BG 18.54). As soon as you realize that you are not this material body, you are spirit soul, then immediately you become jolly, prasannātmā. Prasannātmā means na śocati na kāṅkṣati. He has no more any hankering for things which he does not possess, no more any lamenting which he has lost. Take, for example, that we have lost our portion of country as Pakistan and fighting since . . . this was a plan by the British government, that "Divide them in such a way. They will perpetually fight. They will never be happy." This was their plan. That has been successful. But we are lamenting. Both . . . Pakistan is lamenting or not, I do not know, but Hindustan is lamenting. Gandhi was against this partition. But Jawaharlal Nehru, just to become prime minister, immediately divided. So these things are going on. So lamenting, we have lost our . . . but if you take this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement very seriously, you can make the whole world Hindustan.