Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa! (Hindi) (break) What is the use of the fighting?
Dr. Patel: I have heard that the man could have first landed on . . . (indistinct) . . . his wife has . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Nobody landed. This is all bogus.
Dr. Patel: No, no, whatever he did . . . let us. . . it is all bogus, but that man is divorced by his wife because he has lost his sex. Somebody told me.
Prabhupāda: There are many cases. This is the statement in the Bhāgavata. Dampatye ratim eva hi: "Marriage relationship will continue only on sex power, that's all." If one is weak in sex power, the marriage will be cancelled.
Dr. Patel: You must tell any other good messages, tell part of it, how actually a marriage is, can be for production of good progeny . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. Putrārthe kriyate bharyā putra-piṇḍa-prayojanam. This, the first, piṇḍa-dāna, for maintaining family. But nowadays nobody wants offspring. They want to kill to avoid botheration.
Dr. Patel: First they prevent, and if by accident it happens, then they kill it. And the medical profession help them.
Prabhupāda: Help them. Before my speaking you are saying. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: I am against it, no doubt. Once upon a time I used to be the doctor of all these so-called cinema actors and actresses, and you know their profession. And they are always falling prey of these sort of things, and they would come to me for relief, and I would refuse. So today I have none of them as my patient.
Prabhupāda: But you cannot relieve them.
Dr. Patel: No, I mean have taken a vow not to do wrong things. That is why I am here in your company. Otherwise I would be somewhere in . . . (laughs) That is very common in Bombay.
Prabhupāda: Not only Bombay; all over the world. Now it is imported in India also, to get relief of pregnancy. This is . . .
Yaśomatīnandana: There is a big board in Andheri railway station. It says, "For abortion and for family planning come here and get your . . . (indistinct) . . ." (Hindi)
Dr. Patel: The college boys are taking advantage of this.
Indian man (1): Always you can get the beer, all beer, every place.
Dr. Patel: Cold beer?
Indian man (1): (Hindi)
Dr. Patel: No, because I don't drink. I don't know. I have not taken tea even in England during my education, because I am not to take tea. I am totally teetotaler of the right way. We have in lot of different ways. The society is right from the beginning body conscious, more or less, we. We are not taught even during our age of education that we are not this body and something else. This was being done in ancient times, our forefathers. When the boys were going to the guru, in āśrama, they were first taught this, that, "You are not this body; you are something else." And here you are taught you are body, so you have to take exercise.
Prabhupāda: That is the first education, first instruction in the Bhagavad-gītā, beginning of Bhagavad-gītā—dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā, tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13). Unless one understands that "There is change of body, and I am spirit soul within this body," he remains a cat and dog, and that's all. Dehātmā-buddhiḥ . . . yasyātmā-buddhiḥ kunape tri-dhātuke, sa eva go-kharaḥ (SB 10.84.13). So we are keeping this civilization—animal civilization. How there can be peace? You cannot make several dogs, bring them together as nation, and they will live peacefully. It is not possible, that "You all dogs come here and feel nationally and be peaceful." Will the dogs will be able to do that? Because you are dog, it is not possible.
Dr. Patel: (Hindi) They fight among themselves for nothing.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So they are keeping them cats and dogs by education, culture, and they want to be happy. How it is possible? First of all let them come to the standard of human being. Then there is question of peace and happiness. They are kept as cats and dogs, and how there can be peace? You cannot make any peace in the dog society. That is not possible. Hare Kṛṣṇa. So that consciousness can come only when one is spiritually educated. If he is simply engaged for satisfying the senses, material, then he remains a cat and dog. You cannot expect any peace.