Prabhupāda: . . . external. Actual everyone is sannyāsī, and they have no other business than to serve Kṛṣṇa—if they are actually seriously doing. More than sannyāsī. Anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ kāryaṁ karma karoti yaḥ, sa sannyāsī (BG 6.1). He is yogī, sannyāsī. Anāśritaḥ karma. Nothing for personal interest. Then he is successful.
Hari-śauri: As soon as you become covered with some personal desire or endeavor for personal satisfaction . . .
Prabhupāda: Nothing is his personal.
Hari-śauri: . . . then you become designated.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is conditioned. The Vṛndāvana life means the gopīs, the cowherd boys, the cowherdsmen, the elderly men, Nanda Mahārāja, Yaśodārāṇī, His . . . (indistinct) . . . every cows, calves, trees, flowers, Yamunā—everyone is dedicated to Kṛṣṇa. That is Vṛndāvana. They have no other business. That is Vṛndāvana. Everywhere, the whole description of the Kṛṣṇa book, center is Kṛṣṇa.
Hari-śauri: Yeah, Kṛṣṇa book's so nice.
Prabhupāda: That is Vṛndāvana life: either in rasa dance or the cowherd's play or killing the demons or in dining and dancing. The friends are eating, they are being stolen by Brahmā—but the center is Kṛṣṇa. That is Vṛndāvana. All activities are going on, just like in other place. But here in Vṛndāvana, all activities centered around Kṛṣṇa. When Brahmā is stealing His friends, the center is Kṛṣṇa. The demon is coming to destroy—the center is Kṛṣṇa. When there is forest fire, the center is Kṛṣṇa. This is Vṛndāvana beauty. In happiness, in danger, in perplexities, in friendship—everything Kṛṣṇa. Kāliya-damana. "Oh, Kṛṣṇa has gone to Yamunā. He has fallen down in the . . . to fight the Kāliya." It is a very, what is called, calamitous. But still, the center is Kṛṣṇa. This is the beauty of Vṛndāvana. "Kṛṣṇa has entered Yamunā to fight with Kāliya," it is not at all good news for Mother Yaśodā, Nanda, friends and family, not at all. Their life is lost. But still the Kṛṣṇa is center. This is Vṛndāvana life. In everything Kṛṣṇa is center—anything. We are having just like "Kṛṣṇa's a bad propaganda," opposition.
Hari-śauri: Somehow or other, Kṛṣṇa's in the center. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: (laughs) So I am happy that Kṛṣṇa is center. That's all. This is the beauty of this movement. Although we are put into some difficulty, but center is Kṛṣṇa.
Hari-śauri: The difficulty actually is increasing our thinking of Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The papers are publishing, "Kṛṣṇas, they are bad. They are so on, so on, so on." That's all right. Kṛṣṇa is center.
Hari-śauri: Yes, what you said this afternoon, that . . . actually, I found out, one of the arguments that they're using . . . these deprogrammers, they're very clever. They've done a lot of research, because they're using that statement of Dr. Radhakrishnan's in the Bhagavad-gītā, where he says that man-manā bhava mad-bhakto, "Kṛṣṇa does not mean think of Him," they're using that against us to say that, "This man Radhakrishnan was the president of India, and he says that the Bhagavad-gītā is not meant for thinking of Kṛṣṇa."
Prabhupāda: Just see how much great harm he has done.
Hari-śauri: Yes. So now they're trying to use that to say that we are misinterpreting the Bhagavad-gītā.
Prabhupāda: But we don't say Radhakrishnan is authority. We take Caitanya Mahāprabhu as authority.