Prabhupāda: Yes, bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra syāt (SB 11.2.42). This is vairāgya. So unless he has attained this stage, virakti, then where is bhakti? Bhakti is so powerful that it brings automatically vairāgya. But if there is no vairāgya, where is bhakti? Understand it now? Yes. It does not depend that you have to practice vairāgya separately. But if you are actually bhakta, then vairāgya is there. If there is no vairāgya, there is no bhakti; it is sahajiyā-bhāva.
Yaśomatīnandana: In other words, vairāgya is a by-product of bhakti.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is stated:
- kecit kevalayā bhaktyā
- vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ
- aghaṁ dhunvanti kārtsnyena
- nīhāram iva bhāskaraḥ
- (SB 6.1.15)
Vairāgya is to be practiced, but bhakti is so strong, kecit kevalayā bhaktyā, simply by bhakti, vāsudeva-parāyaṇa. Vairāgya immediately comes. Aghaṁ dhunvanti kārtsnyena nīhāram iva bhāskaraḥ. If actually one is pure bhakta, then everything material, finished. That is real bhakta. Now I have got some bhakti and some material desire also, that is not bhakti. That is markaṭa-vairāgya. That does not mean that I shall stop bhakti. No. You take bhakti to the principle, to the regulative principle, then automatically vairāgya will come. The vairāgya is not coming, that means you have not been a pure bhakta. That is adulteration. Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam (Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.1.11). That is bhakti. And because there is not anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam (CC Madhya 19.167), it is adulterated.
Dr. Patel: Bhakti-avyabhicāriṇī.
Prabhupāda: Avyabhicāriṇī, yes. Māṁ ca yo 'vyabhicāreṇa bhakti-yogena yah sevate. Avyabhicāreṇa. Sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate (BG 14.26). He is above three guṇas. So if I am still under the modes of material nature, that means I'm not in avyabhicāriṇī-bhakti. This is the warning. Therefore Lord Buddha rejected Vedas.
Dr. Patel: Because, sir, in the name of Veda people were misbehaving.
Prabhupāda: Vedas, when Lord Buddha wanted stop animal killing, these rascals came with Vedas: "Vedas there is sacrifice, there is animal killing." So he thought that these rascals will create botheration. By bringing Vedas, there is . . . he said: "I don't care for it." Veda māniyā.
- veda nā māniyā bauddha haya ta nāstika
- vedāśraya nāstikya-vāda bauddhake adhika
- (CC Madhya 6.168)
Similarly, these rascals are giving evidence of Rūpa Gosvāmī's advice that, "Here is Rādhā-kuṇḍa mentioned." But whether you have followed other things.
Yaśomatīnandana: Vāco vegaṁ manasaḥ . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. Vāco vegaṁ manasaḥ krodha-vegaṁ, pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt. Etān vegān yo viṣa . . . you are manipulated by the udara-vegam, upastha-vegam. But first there is test: etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ (NOI 1). Then for him Rādhā-kuṇḍa. Dhīras tatra na muhyati (BG 2.13). He has got three dozen sevā-dāsī, and living in Rādhā-kuṇḍa. My Guru Mahārāja wanted to publish Govinda-līlāmṛta. He asked permission of Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura. So first of all Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, "I'll tell you some day." And when he reminded, he said: "Yes, you can print one copy. If you are so much anxious to print it, print one copy. You'll read and you will see that you have printed. Not for distribution." So we are printing all these books for understanding properly. Not that "Here is Rādhā-kuṇḍa. Let us go." Jump over like monkey. "Here is rāsa-līlā. Immediately . . ."
Acyutānanda: Even in Kṛṣṇa book, rāsa-līlā should not be told in public.
Prabhupāda: No, why? Kṛṣṇa book must be there. In the book must be there.
Acyutānanda: But in public . . .
Prabhupāda: But you should go gradually. You should go gradually. You first of all understand Kṛṣṇa, then kṛṣṇa-līlā. If you have not understood Kṛṣṇa, then you'll think Kṛṣṇa's rāsa-līlā is just like we mix with young women. And that becomes as polluted. Because they do not understand Kṛṣṇa. Manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid yatati siddhaye yatatām api siddhānām (BG 7.3). Kṛṣṇa understanding so easy? If you do not understand Kṛṣṇa, how can you go to the Kṛṣṇa's confidential activities?
Acyutānanda: Some of the devotees, they said that it is for liberated souls. So they said, "Well, we are all liberated."
Prabhupāda: Yes. Liberated for going to hell.
Devotee: In your Kṛṣṇa book, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you've given such clear explanations along with the stories of Kṛṣṇa that it's very difficult to misinterpret them, because you use such clear explanation.
Prabhupāda: No, you read all the books first of all. Then you'll be able to understand.
Yaśomatīnandana: Even theoretical understanding that Kṛṣṇa is transcendental will not help unless one . . .
Prabhupāda: Because Kṛṣṇa is giving . . . (indistinct) . . . Kṛṣṇa lifted the hill. Now how you can become equal with Kṛṣṇa?
Devotee: Śrīla Prabhupāda, what about if some devotees, I know they want to come to Vṛndāvana . . .
Prabhupāda: Every devotee, they must follow the rules and regulations, that's all.