Bali Mardana: I've never seen so many young Americans sit for, listen to the lecture so attentively.
Prabhupāda: And religious, most dry subject. Not cinema.
Bali Mardana: The newspaper said that it was the most favorite festival of all San Francisco, of all the festivals.
Prabhupāda: So they have mentioned, "American Hindus." (chuckles) (pause) It is a dead blow to the material civilization: "No drinking and no intoxication, no meat-eating, no gambling, no illicit sex." Their whole civilization is finished. Because they stand on these things, four pillars.
Jayatīrtha: Yes.
Prabhupāda: They have no other...
Kṛṣṇa-kānti: Therefore we must present a better civilization.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Kṛṣṇa-kānti: We must present a better civilization.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Not better or best. The civilization. Everything is all false, cheating. Everything, everything is cheating. Without this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, all other consciousness, they're simply cheating. That is called māyā, illusion. If you remain in any other consciousness except Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that means you are in illusion. You are misguided. That is explained in the second verse of the First Canto. Dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra paramo nirmatsarāṇāṁ satāṁ vāstava vastu vedyam atra: (SB 1.1.2) All kinds of cheating religious system is kicked out." That is the second verse. Projjhita, completely cleansed of all cheating type of religion. This, this has been translated into Bengali by these words,
- pṛthivīte yāha kichu dharma nāme cale
- bhāgavata kāhe taha paripūrṇa chale
Whatever is going on throughout the whole world in the name of religion, Bhāgavata, according to Bhāgavata, they're all cheating. They're all cheating. Bhāgavata kāhe taha paripūrṇa chale. Chale means cheating.
Jayatīrtha: What exactly is the definition of a cheat?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Jayatīrtha: What is the definition of a cheat?
Prabhupāda: Cheat means that I am exploiting you. I am saying that I am creating you a religious, but you are most sinful. I am creating a most sinful. That is cheating.
Guru-kṛpa: Giving something under false pretensions.
Prabhupāda: That's all. You are taking something else while thinking something else. That is cheating. Actually, we see the so-called religious system... Religion means to become lover of God. But who is lover of God? Do not know what is God, and what to speak of love Him. They do not know, have no clear conception of God even.
Jayatīrtha: They are lovers of dog.
Prabhupāda: And actually they are lovers of dog. And still, he's professing "I am religious." This is not cheating.
Hṛdayānanda: Yes, it's cheating. Imposter.
Prabhupāda: Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje (SB 1.2.6). Unless one becomes a devotee of God, there is no question of religion. It is all cheating. By opening hospital, schools,... There are thousands upon thousands upon thousands upon thousands of years, the hospitals and schools are being opened, philanthropy. What is the result?
Bali Mardana: Atom bombs.
Prabhupāda: Atom bomb. Result is atom bomb.
Hṛdayānanda: You're the only one, Prabhupāda, who dares to criticize hospitals and schools. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Yes, so many people came to request me... Even Dr. Ghosh. Eh? You know.
Satsvarūpa: He wanted you to open a medical dispensary.
Prabhupāda: "No, no, we are not going to waste our time in that way." I frankly told him. We have no extra time to waste like that. What he thinks very big project, we say it is waste of time. (laughter)
Jayatīrtha: Yes.
Hṛdayānanda: Jaya. It is a completely revolutionary idea.
Prabhupāda: Yes. I cannot allow anyone he's waste his valuable time of human life.
Guru-kṛpa: You said before that the more hospitals they open that means the more people have to become sick.
Prabhupāda: That, more... Yes.
Guru-kṛpa: To get in the hospital.
Prabhupāda: They are very much proud, "We have opened fifty hospitals." That means fifty thousand people have become sick. "We have increased so many beds." That means so many people have more increased their disease. But they're proud of doing this. Our poor-feeding and their poor-feeding is different. We give prasādam—by eating he'll become Kṛṣṇaized. He'll become a devotee. And ordinary eating means he will eat and go to hell. Hare Kṛṣṇa (japa) Kṛṣṇotkīrtana-gāna-nartana-parau...
Kṛṣṇa-kānti: Jaya Prabhupāda.
Jayatīrtha: Jāyate. All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda.