Prabhupāda: Hawai-kila, yes. Hawai-kila, yes. Hawai-kila means in the air there is a fort. It is something like the Vaiṣṇava considers the heavenly planets, that hawai-kila. That's all.
Guest (7): This rich birth is important for self-realization?
Prabhupāda: Next birth?
Devotees: Rich birth.
Guest (7): To be born in a rich family.
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. But there is facility. Because people are harassed for getting food and shelter. Everyone is working so hard where to get nice food, where to get nice shelter. Rich man means he has already got. So if he's sane, if he's good . . . has got good association, direction, then he can think that, "I have no anxiety for my food, shelter and other necessities of life. So how shall I utilize my time?" And if he gets good guru, then he can utilize very nicely, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
That is a chance. He hasn't got to work. Because people are very much perplexed how to get shelter, how to get food. But he has got the chance. He hasn't got to endeavor for food and shelter and other necessities of the body. Ample he has got. He can save time for spiritual advancement. That is an advantage. It is not necessary. It is almost disadvantage. But actually it is advantage. Unfortunately, those who are born in rich family, they take advantage of it that "I have got so much money, let me enjoy sense gratification." Māyā dictates, "Oh, you have got so much money. Utilize for wine, woman." That's all.
Guest (6): People say about Uraya Karan Singh . . .
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Guest (6): Uraya Karan Singh.
Prabhupāda: Karan Singh?
Guest (6): He was . . . (indistinct) . . . of Kashmir. He's a very pious man, and because rich birth and he is a pious as well, is it?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (6): Very religious and . . .
Prabhupāda: No, I have seen him. He's religious temperament. Not very, but . . .
Guest (6): He was in Delhi. Delhi we met. (indistinct comments by others)
Prabhupāda: He loves Kṛṣṇa.
Guest (6): . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Twelve hours?
Guest (6): Two hours. It was nearly two hours.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. No, he's a good man.
Guest (6): That's a good example, example like that. There are rare examples.
Guest (7): Likes the Bhagavad-gītā.
Prabhupāda: Yes, he's a good man. He's good scholar also, educated.
Guest (6): He was coming but I don't know why he has not come due to this . . .? This last year in the Bhāgavatam discourses he accepted he would come. We got his letter also.
Prabhupāda: This is due to government post.