Prabhupāda: According to time... Deśa-kāla-pātra. That kind of forceful, does not act very nicely. One should know the science, but the class of men to whom Jesus Christ said, they are not very much advanced. Under the circumstances, the fearfulness of hell is quite appropriate for them. Actually, one who does not go back to home, back to Godhead, he is put into the hellish condition of life. That is fearfulness, but we are so blunt that we do not take care. It is fearful. Just like Prahlāda Maharaja said that "Nṛsiṁhadeva, I am not afraid of your this fierce feature of Narasiṁha, but I am very much afraid of this materialistic way of life." Saṁsāra. Saṁsāra means this material world. So, it is actually very fearful. The whole atmosphere is fearful. Padaṁ padaṁ yad vipadāṁ (SB 10.14.58). To make adjustment, you have to accept something fearful. Just like this fight, "In future there may be some adjustment so that people may live peacefully. Therefore, we have to fight." This is also, the method is itself fearful. To gain a position where there will be no fear, we have to accept a fearful method. So, in the material world whatever we think, they are not very happy proposition, that's everything is fear. Karma-kāṇḍīya, they have to undergo so many hardship, then they get something profit. People are working so hard to get some profit. In the material world everything is fearful, hard-working. So, in the Bible it is said that hell or...?
Devotee: Hell or...?
Prabhupāda: Hm? What is it? Hell, you were speaking something of hell?
Devotee: Eternal hell.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Devotee: Eternal hell.
Prabhupāda: Eternal hell. Huh? What is that?
Devotee: Everlasting hell.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It means that, so far as I remember, Prabhupāda, in the Bible it says that at the time of judgement...
Nara-Nārāyaṇa: Judgement, the judgement.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There's a judgement...
Nara-Nārāyaṇa: You rise from the grave in the time you are judged.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, all of the souls then rise for judgement and accordingly they either go to heaven or to hell.
Nara-Nārāyaṇa: Or into an intermediate stage where they can gradually go up to heaven. Limbo, I think.
Devotee (2) (lady): The ultimate desire of a Christian is to be with Jesus, is to go to be with him. That is their ultimate desire. Not necessarily to be with the Father, but to be with Jesus.
Devotee (3): What do they do with him?
Devotee (2): By leading the Christian life.
Devotee (3): I mean when they go to him, what do they do?
Devotee (2): (indistinct)
Devotee (3): See the idea is that you could not remember perfectly 'cause the taste is gone, the līlā is death mostly. But it isn't death, the basics are there, but they're teaching death. And so any intelligent person says, "I want to go to Jesus, but then what do I do? If it is everlasting hell, then heaven must be also everlasting, but what do we do?" And if it's void, then it will not keep the people interested, therefore people are leaving religion.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is very good reason. There is no hope, better go to hell. (laughter) At least there is something. Never mind. Yes, hopelessness is not good.