Prabhupāda: Lotus feet because we worship Kṛṣṇa by worshiping the lotus feet first. We offer flower to the lotus feet. So one must go from First Canto to Second Canto, Third Canto, gradually make progress, not all of a sudden want to see how Kṛṣṇa is smiling. You see? That you cannot understand. So the sahajiyās, they go, immediately jump to the Kṛṣṇa's rāsa-līlā, without worshiping gradually. Therefore they misunderstand. (break) Just to understand Kṛṣṇa.
Prajāpati: But Kṛṣṇa's disappearance, about having a māyā body that He left behind, a māyā body, is that anything to do with Māyāvādī?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Māyāvādī means those who are in māyā, those who are thinking Kṛṣṇa as one of the human being, for them, to delude them, He left the body. But actually He departed in His own body. There is no question of . . . here is another . . . but just like this is also, this material world, this is also Kṛṣṇa's body. But this is interesting to the Māyāvādīs, the so-called scientist, so-called philosopher. But it is not interesting to the devotees. They are thinking, "This is all." Is not that? The scientist, the philosophers, they are thinking, "This is all. There is nothing beyond this." This is illusion. This is only reflection of the reality.
Viśvareta: Śrīla Prabhupāda, what about process to understanding? Scientists, they have their mental process, but what is our process to understand this knowledge?
Prabhupāda: Ascending. Ah, descending, not ascending. We have to take knowledge from superior. We should not try ourself to know. That will be imperfect. Avaroha-panthā. Just like we're receiving knowledge from Kṛṣṇa. We are not researching. Those who are researching, they cannot understand Kṛṣṇa. They understand Kṛṣṇa as ordinary human being, maybe little learned. That's all. The Dr. Frog's calculation of Atlantic Ocean. That's all. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ (BG 9.11).
(break) . . . automatically. You see? But he does not know that behind this automation there is brain. He'll see, "Oh, how nice." That's all. Similarly, childlike scientist, they will say: "Everything is going on automatically." (break) . . . but there is brain behind that.
Karandhara: But for the child, the presents do appear automatically.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Karandhara: For the child, the presents at Christmas do appear automatically, by the grace of the parents. So the fruits appear automatically by the grace of Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rūpānuga: The main thing is their leaders have no qualifications. Our leader has all qualifications. Our leader has all qualifications.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, because they are perfect.
Prajāpati: Therefore all auspiciousness appears by your presence, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Yes, provided you accept it. You have got independence also. Acceptance and rejection.