Devotee (2): You say that if we chant Rāma three times, it's equal to once chanting Kṛṣṇa. Now I don't understand . . .
Prabhupāda: Why do you not understand? If I say that, "If you give me three dollars, I shall give you this," then what is the difficulty to understand? Eh?
Devotee (2): Yes. Is it just . . . is it just in the potency of the name? Is that . . . (indistinct)?
Prabhupāda: No. As there are different things of different value, similarly, in each name there are potencies of the Lord. But there is degrees of potencies. Just like rāma-līlā and kṛṣṇa-līlā, pastime. Both of them are the same thing, God. But in the rāma-līlā you find less potential exhibition of the Lord, but in kṛṣṇa-līlā you find full potential manifestation of Lord. So degrees of potencies. Although it does not mean the Rāma is less potent. No. Rāma is also the same potency. But under circumstances He exhibits a partial potencies, not full potencies. But kṛṣṇa-līlā, you will find full potency.
Just like Rāma, Lord Rāmacandra. He married only one wife, Sītā. But Kṛṣṇa married 16,108. Now, if you question why Rāma is so moralist, or whatever you like—He is sticking to one wife—and Kṛṣṇa is marrying sixteen thousand, that means we . . . we say that God is omnipotent. That is a . . . (indistinct) . . . qualification of God. So He is showing His omnipotency. That means why sixteen thousand? If He marries sixteen millions, sixteen billions, still, He is potent, full-fledged potency.
So we cannot imagine even that how a person can marry sixteen thousand wives. This is inconceivable potency, to give an example of His inconceivable potency. And Rāma presented Himself as an ideal king. He did not manifest Himself as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but from symptoms of authentic literature we understand that He is God. But Kṛṣṇa personally said that, "I am the Supreme Personality of God." Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat asti kiñcid dhanañjaya (BG 7.7): "There is no superior truth beyond Me." Rāmacandra never said that, that . . . He never said that, "I am God." But those who are intelligent, they understood that He is God.
Pradyumna: I'd like to ask you about something, er, about the eternally conditioned souls and eternally liberated souls. I'd like to know what's the meaning of "eternal" in both those statements.
Prabhupāda: Eternal means those who have not come in contact with this material nature. There are living entities, I mean to say, many, many more times than the living entities who are within this material world. They are in the spiritual world. Just like the number of population outside the prison house is very great, and the number of population within the prison house is very small, this material world is supposed to be the prison house. Those who are condemned, those who want to try to lord it over, they are imprisoned within the walls of material universes. So their number is very small.
That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, that ekāṁśena sthito jagat (BG 10.42): "It is only a portion of My creation, little portion." This unlimited number of universes and their unlimited number of planets, and in each planet, unlimited number of living entities, all taken together is only a fractional demonstration, manifestation of the potency of the Lord. The major manifestation is in the spiritual world. So they are all liberated, nitya-mukta.
All right. Have kīrtana.