Prabhupāda: A local man cannot get. He's starving. And the man in big cities, he's doing nothing, he simply has got paper to sign, and paper money he's attracting. All production, and they are starving. This is modern civilization. Everything—milk, vegetable, fish, everything, this chānā. Otherwise, within the village you can get everything. Village economy, everything very cheap. And as soon as they got these transport facilities, the local men, they could not eat, and these lazy rascals, they are getting everything. Big, big cities like Calcutta, Bombay, they, millions of population, they are not producing anything. The producer is different man. They are simply artificially cheating them by paper money, and they take it. This is modern civilization.
Haṁsadūta: And on the basis of this transporting of food, other industries grow. Like for instance packing. Sometimes the package costs more than the item which is being packaged.
Prabhupāda: Especially in your country. Packing is more important than the . . . they sent me some presentation in a huge package.
Haṁsadūta: Consequently, those persons who are farmers, they become discouraged.
Prabhupāda: Now it has become a problem how to throw these packings.
Haṁsadūta: Yes, this is another problem.
Hari-śauri: Yes. Plastic they can't dispose of, glass.
Prabhupāda: Simply creating problems. Lavana haila ithe gatila jagya. This modern civilization, they could not make any profit. They have created some problems, that's all. Very dangerous civilization.