Acyutānanda: Recently there was an atomic scientist who his all major education was in America and Europe, and he won a Nobel Prize award . . .
Prabhupāda: That is the tendency everywhere. The Britishers . . . You go to the Parliament and Westminster Abbey. They have kept all the statues of Sir Isaac Newton and this Churchill, this . . . Mean, they want to show that "It is only our nation who has produced all these intelligent persons."
Keśavalāl Trivedi: Yes, yes. From "I-ness" to "we-ness."
Prabhupāda: This is basis of Gītā. Tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā (BG 4.34). Learn from the real person, tattva-darśinaḥ, who has seen, who has actual experience of the truth. Learn from him. The Gītā never recommends that you imagine and make your theories. Never said. That is the Vedic culture. Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet (MU 1.2.12). Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsur śreya uttamam (SB 11.3.21). This is the way. Take lesson from Kṛṣṇa or Kṛṣṇa's representative. Then you will get experience. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. What is the use of imagining?
Harikeśa: I mean, after all, all this talk about God was simply there because of man's desire to explain the unknown. He saw a thunderbolt and . . .
Prabhupāda: It is unknown to the rascal man. (laughter) It is known to the sober man. He should become sober instead of becoming a rascal. That is required. Vidyā-vinaya-sampanne (BG 5.18). Ācāryavān puruṣo veda (Chāndogya Upaniṣad 6.14.2): "He knows, who has accepted the ācārya." This is Theosophical Society, I think. Huh? That trademark. Or Ramakrishna Mission.
Acyutānanda: No, Salvation Army.
Prabhupāda: Salvation Army. Oh.
Mahāmṣa: This is also school.
Harikeśa: Actually we're the only Salvation Army. (laughter)