Prabhupāda: We have brain. We are not afraid of anything . . .
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Jaya.
Prabhupāda: . . . that we are preaching something which not is acceptable by scientists or philosophers. He must have to accept.
Bhavānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda, Bhakti-prema Mahārāja is not here now. He's gone out.
Yaśodānandana: There was a discussion today that in some time, after this preaching to the scientists starts, if we get exposed, it will be a very, very big world news item, especially with jagat theory of the universe, to explain how all the planets are exactly together, how life comes from life. It will be a very shocking news to the whole scientific world. They have so many misconceptions which are simply due to ignorance.
Prabhupāda: They are simply making false propaganda to keep their prestige. Useless. Now here is a scientist. He'll confirm it. What do you think?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Er . . . I think it's going to be very interesting. We are very prepared for it, and it will be a very challenging, challenging field, if all the scientists and all over . . .
Prabhupāda: We have got some background. They have no background.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, we have Bhagavad-gītā and Prabhupāda, Kṛṣṇa. So we are very prominent.
Prabhupāda: But they have no background. They are simply speculating. In the first place they have no background. Child. Doesn't know what . . . Do you think they are knowing?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I saw just little hint. I met an Indian physicist in Emory University. He's quite well known physicist, and he actually liked the idea that we wrote on. He said it's very genuine and very scientific. We have developed this the laws of consciousness from tying ātmā and Paramātmā. The Paramātmā, we say, is the source of all these laws of nature.
Prabhupāda: That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. Mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca (BG 15.15). Jaya. (Bengali) Or if you like, you can travel with him, but your translation must be main work. If you like, you can go to the foreign countries along with him. (Bengali) So that program you planned, he can come.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. I suggested to Dr. Sharma that first of all we hold that conference in Vṛndāvana and come here. So we can announce some nice topics, so he can also speak. And we can invite some scholars. They can also speak. We can have open discussion, exchange of ideas and philosophy, so that we expose Kṛṣṇa consciousness on this scale. So Prabhupāda wants that Bhaktivedanta Institute is also here in Vṛndāvana along with the Bhaktivedanta Gurukula, an institute for higher studies, and there be one office in the new gurukula building so that . . .
Prabhupāda: No, I request you all that you keep this building always busy with some conference, with some meeting, with some . . . It shouldn't remain vacant. And for expenditure, I shall arrange. There is no want.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: And we'll try to attract more Ph.D.s.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: As soon as we go out and preach, I think we can get . . .
Prabhupāda: (Bengali) You are all qualified. I can give you ideas. Now I am doing. So I wanted to see that you are all busy. That I want. Because now I am becoming invalid. I cannot move very swiftly here and there. But if you move, I take pleasure. There is a Bengali proverb, na pajimane na jamai datta(?). A old lady, so she has lost her husband. She cannot joke. (chuckles) Husband, wife, they exchange some joking word. So with whom she will joke? Then the grandson-in-law, grandson . . . So in our society, Bengal, the grandson-in-law . . . I have got experience also. When I was newly married grandson-in-law, so my grandmother-in-law was joking with me like anything, more than husband. (laughter) And granddaughter-in-law. So we sit down and she talks very openly everything. We remember that. Because she was enjoying. By talking like that, free, with granddaughter and grandson-in-law, she was enjoying. And we were also enjoying. So my position is like that. I cannot move now very swiftly here and there, becoming invalid. So if I see that you are doing these things, that will give me pleasure. Yes. Granddaughter-in-law.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I also found that in Boston, the Indian communities, they are very interested in this program.
Prabhupāda: Must be. Everyone should be. This is the genuine program. So (Bengali), talk and make program. (Bengali)
Dr. Sharma: That is disease. It has become now plague . . . (indistinct) . . . on the street.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So both of you are very intelligent boys. I want to see that you are always busy in these affairs. (Bengali) Bhaktivedanta Gurukula and Institute for Higher Studies. (Bengali) I want to see that you are always busy. Busy-ness. That will give me pleasure. Laziness I don't want. Personally I was never lazy. I did not like laziness.
Dr. Sharma: (Bengali) We create in our mind problems.
Prabhupāda: Because sometimes I become morose that I became lazy, so therefore, if I see you busy, this moroseness will reduce. When I see that you are working and the whole thing is busy, oh, that gives me pleasure. Yes
Svarūpa Dāmodara: We're also thinking of writing some books for children, for gurukula.
Prabhupāda: Write.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: For the Bhaktivedanta Institute.
Prabhupāda: Write. That's a very good idea. (Bengali) This is real life. You are all qualified to do this. Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā (SB 1.5.22). (Bengali)
Yaśodānandana: Śrīla Prabhupāda, this morning, as soon as the children heard that this name was going to be changed and it was going to be that, many of them became eager: "How I can be trained also to know these things?" The children are already very eager to understand all these . . .
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Yaśodānandana: . . . the scientific approach.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. (Bengali)
Dr. Sharma: Plus it should be nice.
Prabhupāda: It is already.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I'm going to have to look tomorrow and . . .
Prabhupāda: Hmm. You can see, both, and select which room for which quarter. Big, big room . . . (Bengali)
Dr. Sharma: That . . . (indistinct) . . . he's very nice . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: He is very intelligent.
Dr. Sharma: . . . (indistinct) Prabhupāda: He's organizing this, that Poland, communist country. He has accepted hard knock. And knocking. (Bengali)
Bhavānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda, would you like to go upstairs now? Would you like to go up to the roof now?
Prabhupāda: I have no objection. (Bengali) You are all able.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: (aside:) Yeah, tomorrow I'll go and see everything.
Prabhupāda: (Bengali conversation) So? No, I shall go. Utsāhād dhairyāt tat-tat-karma-pravartanāt, sato vṛtteḥ sādhu . . . ṣaḍbhir bhaktiḥ prasidhyati. (break)
Ādi-keśava: In your Bhagavad-gītā you explain that to the materialist, he is subject to fear, anger and attachment.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Ādi-keśava: So when someone becomes angry, that anger is frustration due to the fact that he experiences so many frustrations in the material world, and therefore he calls it void. He says, "Rather than experience the difficulties inherent in the temporality of the material world, instead he calls it void and says that it does not exist." Because it is causing so much distress because he cannot become satisfied in material existence, then he says . . .
Prabhupāda: Whether it has got any value? Whether such statement has any value?
Harikeśa: Whether such statement has any value?
Ādi-keśava: To say that it has no existence, that it is all void?
Prabhupāda: One, you . . . Talk on this point. Just like a small animal, rabbit. When he's attacked, he closes the eyes. He thinks, "There is nothing." Now he is devoured. So it is like that. He cannot adjust things, and "That is zero, bās." But that's not the fact. Hmm? Simply by closing your eyes you want to avoid danger? Discuss on this.