Prabhupāda: They have become hopelessly, what is called, unsuccessful in Vietnam.
Rāmeśvara: Yes. So they're very, very reluctant. So they withdrew public support, and the government had to withdraw, and the country was lost.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: America, it seems, is becoming very weak.
Prabhupāda: Means if they have got strength, if they have got strength they can attack Russia. I've said that. But they have no moral strength. Drunkard, illicit sex, they have no mental determination, cannot.
Rāmeśvara: They are thinking, "Why should we get involved in fighting miles away..."
Prabhupāda: That is another laziness. For good cause one should.
Rāmeśvara: They are thinking, "What if the people want to be Communist? Why should we interfere?"
Prabhupāda: That means cowardice. They have no conviction that Communism is dangerous, godlessness.
Rāmeśvara: They are forgetting how dangerous it is.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: Now they have a policy called detente, where... It means that they try to become friendly with the Russians and do exchanges.
Prabhupāda: All economic.
Rāmeśvara: To ease the tension.
Prabhupāda: Pound, shilling, pence: "Money, bring money."
Rāmeśvara: Yes. But actually the Russians have so much cheated that...
Prabhupāda: They must cheat, because they are first-class rogue.
Hari-śauri: Actually what's happened is that America has given away...
Prabhupāda: I hesitate to say "they," (because) the Russian people are nice.
Hari-śauri: The Communist Party.
Prabhupāda: The Party is dangerous. I've studied the Russians. They are nice.
Rāmeśvara: Victimized.
Prabhupāda: Yes, victimized. They have been suppressed by force, terrorism. Otherwise nice Russian people are as good as others. And they do not like this government. That's a fact. But what can be done? They are forced to accept. Nobody is happy. Everyone is morose.
Hari-śauri: Yes. They're all afraid to speak.
Prabhupāda: Yes. No freedom.
Rāmeśvara: No intellectual freedom.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: That's very well known.
Prabhupāda: No, even physical. You cannot go out without government consent. And they don't allow, especially young men. They do not allow to go out of the country.