Karandhara: The thing is that our philosophy is as supportable as theirs, but because they are in control, they have the dominance.
Prabhupāda: Who has dominance?
Karandhara: The atheists.
Prabhupāda: Atheists? (laughs) One kick of māyā, he's finished, (laughter) all dominance. One this kick, his dominance all finished, in one second. (laughter) No dominance. That is māyā. They are under control, but thinking that, "We are free." That is called māyā. That is called māyā. They are under full control, but they are thinking, "We are free." That is māyā. Mohinī, mohinīṁ śritāḥ. What is that verse? Āsurīṁ mohinīm?
Hṛdayānanda: Rākṣasīm. Moghāśā mogha . . .
Prabhupāda: Prakṛtiṁ mohinīm. Moghāśā mogha-karmāṇo mogha-jñānā vicetasaḥ (BG 9.12). Because they are bewildered, all their hopes will be frustrated. Moghāśāḥ. Because they are rascals, āsurīm, atheists, all their hopes will be frustrated. This is stated. And that is being done. They are making so big, big plan; now it is going to be frustrated. Just see.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Still, they don't want to come to their senses.
Prabhupāda: Therefore they are rascals. Rascal means that however kick him on his face, still, he'll insist. That is rascal. Rascal means that. They'll never take good lesson. That is rascal. And sensible means he takes good lesson. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ (BG 7.15).
And why they remain rascal? Because they are duṣkṛtinaḥ, very, very sinful. Very, very sinful. Don't you see? They are maintaining slaughterhouse. They are maintaining brothel. They are ruining everyone's life by sense gratification. These are all sinful activities. Therefore they remain rascal forever. They cannot improve. Because they are so sinful, they have to suffer, go to the darkest region. They'll have to become worms of the stool. That is awaiting them. But they do not know how things are going on. They are thinking, "We are now safe. We are safe." That is foolishness. That is rascaldom. So you are now feeling all right?
Paramahaṁsa: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda. Thank you very much.