Prabhupāda: Mahābhārata history also we find so many demons. Just like . . . what is called, that asura, he simply plundered all the beautiful princesses.
Devotee (2): Bhaumāsura?
Prabhupāda: Bhaumāsura, something like that. They all of them became Kṛṣṇa's wife. They pray to Kṛṣṇa to be rescued from the hands of . . . then Kṛṣṇa rescued them, killed that Bhaumāsura, and excused them, then they were set free. Then their plea that, "We are set free, that's all right, but we cannot go home because we were kidnapped. So we shall not be married. Nobody will accept us." "Then what do you want?" "You become our husband." "All right." Kṛṣṇa becomes . . . (indistinct) . . . this is going on. Somebody is thinking of money, somebody is thinking of woman. These two things, money and woman, and whole struggle . . . (indistinct) . . . the Musselman nawabs, they used to keep . . . that one nawab in . . . they have got his quarters in Lucknow, he had 160 wives. Even in recent, you know this (name withheld)? His elder brother, (name withheld), practically he is the origin of the (name withheld) concern. So I was a guest of the . . . (indistinct) . . . and his wife. So he has got three wives—one Bengali wife, one U.P. wife, and his original wife being dead. He had three, four wives. And each wife's establishment, ten thousand rupees per month. So he is earning money and he is spending it. Earning money by black market, this way, that way, and his whole day's business is that go to some wife's house, remain there for some hours, then next wife, remain there for some hours, and he thinks, "I am king." Still he is living. He is of my age, old man. And each wife has got dozens of children. They're not his.
Devotee (2): (laughs) He cannot keep them satisfied.
Prabhupāda: How it is possible? He's an old man, and the wives are young. But they have got dozens of children, and he is trying to give each child five lakhs of rupees. That is to keep the wife. Everyone is trying that. Natural affection—beget children as many as you like, and then bring money and give them. That is . . . (indistinct) . . . this is that heart disease. How you can stop it? The rascals, they do not know it cannot be done. The lower class, still they are maintaining. Manager class, the worker class. That is going on. That higher and lower level must continue in the material world. You cannot stop it. Individually, nationally, communally.
Devotee (1): They have simply taken the sides of the low class against the upper class.
Prabhupāda: That is a sympathy. But you cannot change it. That is not possible. It is very good sympathy.
Devotee (1): This poet, in her poetry, her business was to try to create that sentiment.
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . Grama-kuli. Jala-batta . . . (indistinct) . . . he is not poet. Poet means he must have full knowledge. Then if he writes poetry, that will be beneficial. The rascals' poetry, just like in your country: one line, three lines, one line. This is rascaldom; it is not poetry. (aside) You should not show your feet this is the etiquette. That is possible only in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We teach our men to address his fellow man as prabhu, "You are master, I am servant." In the material world, everyone is trying to become master; nobody is trying to become servant. And we are teaching that you try to become servant. Just the opposite. Nobody . . . therefore, they say the Vaiṣṇava religion is slave mentality. They say. They do not know that it is success of life to become slave of Kṛṣṇa. They do not know. Who has become happy trying to become master? . . . (indistinct)
Devotee (2): They'll all be cheated.
Prabhupāda: No, not a single person. Actually he remains slave; artificially he thinks, "I am master." Just like Nixon was thinking. He was actually slave of the nation, but he was thinking, "I am master." When he was pressed too much, he had to admit, "Yes, I am your slave." He was pressed. Rather, oppressed. Nobody is thinking. Idam adya mayā labdham imaṁ prāpsye punar dhanam (BG 16.13).