Prabhupāda: Dangerous community. These scientists, the so-called, they are dangerous community. Now, if five ounce sight is not there, "No, it should be operated. Then he will be cured." And actually it is happening. In the hospitals they make all kinds of experiment, and if you say: "No, why you are doing that? The patient is suffering," "We must execute our science. So long the life is there we shall try to save him." They say like that. They will go on with all nonsense activity, and if you want to stop them, they will say: "No, our science has got so . . ." They take in writing that, "Whatever we shall do, you cannot object," hospital. It is a place of demons. And as soon as they get a patient who will not protest, they'll make it, they'll make it, and operation. No medicine, simply operate.
Gurukṛpā: What they do is now they make . . . what they've been doing is they have all these pills, and they give them to people to experiment, to see what the reaction is.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. That is going on. Big, big patent medicine, they will explain scientifically and give to the doctors and make experiment, and though they will go on making experiment. I know it. This is their business. They'll write, they will call for the medical students—they have learned new, new words—and they'll pay to make a literature with bombastic scientific word, and they'll prepare literature. This literature will be distributed and give their medicine, and they may pay them for false propaganda. This is going on to introduce new patent medicine. I know that. Simply water they will inject to get money. The patients have come, innocent, illiterate—"How want to be . . .? Do you want to be cured very quickly or little less?" He's a laborer. He says: "Yes, sir, if you cure me." "So then injection will be required." He has no disease, and they'll give some water injection, yes, and take fee. Because as soon as there is question of injection, he'll charge at least four rupees, five rupees. He has no disease. They will inject water and take four, five rupees. In India I have seen.
Gurukṛpā: If you need . . . if you have one infection in America, you know what you need—some penicillin, something to kill the infection. But the doctor will have to make all sorts of experiments to tell you what you already know.
Prabhupāda: "You first of all give so much blood. So much give me, and then . . ."
Gurukṛpā: Yes. And charge you fifty dollars.
Prabhupāda: Regular business. It is very difficult to consult with a doctor.
Gurukṛpā: And I saw the dentist. He tried to ruin one of my tooth so he could do work on that also and make more money. He tried to damage the teeth.
Prabhupāda: Money is the only aim. And they will talk all nonsense and make experiment, especially in the Western countries. Here also they have got now money-making sight. Lawyers also. Any . . . I have seen in our relatives, big, big rich men. The brothers may sit down and make some . . . my father-in-law did that. They sat down, and they were two brothers, and divided his property and got, two days. But those who are rascals, they go to lawyer and continually meeting—his man, his man. In this way the whole property is sold. And they get out with this. That's all. I have seen so many cases. Then the property division means there is nothing to divide. Everything is sold, and the money was taken by the lawyers as their fees. I have seen so many cases. These real estate men? Real estate?
Gurukṛpā: Real estate.
Prabhupāda: They also. So many times they complicated our men. You know that?
Satsvarūpa: The first time?
Prabhupāda: Yes. They'll promise . . . you have got five thousand dollars. They'll promise hundred thousand dollars' property you'll get, and how it will be done, this scheme, that scheme . . . "We'll do this scheme, that . . ." Then they will take five thousand dollars from you, and they will say: "Now it is finished. Now bring more money." Then further made . . . that lawyer who was trying to give me a permanent visa?
Satsvarūpa: Yeah, some Greek name.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Fishlington or something like that.
Satsvarūpa: Mitralanti or something.
Prabhupāda: Ah. So he was taking every fortnightly 150 dollars by telephone, and Rāyarāma, he was paying. He took about five hundred, six hundred dollars and did not do anything, simply extending the date. The lawyers will plunder. The government men will plunder. The physician will plunder. Ordinary dealing, they will plunder. The shopkeepers will plunder. The . . . and bank will say that, "You take money. You pay your bills. We'll give you loan, we'll charge interest." And when you get your salary, then you have to deposit it in the bank, and they'll adjust—and again you are penniless; again you take loan. The social arrangement is so made that you simply depend on loan. And to earn this money you'll have to go five hundred miles away from your home, early in the morning, in the car.
Gurukṛpā: And in the train.
Prabhupāda: Train also. So how you can be happy? This is their civilization. You study. I have studied in your country, everywhere. This is civilization.
Gurukṛpā: Our printing man from Dai Nippon . . . the printing man who was doing our book from Dai Nippon, he would come to the house at eight-thirty at night. And he lives . . . every day he travels two hours to Dai Nippon in the morning and at night another two hours.
Prabhupāda: Just see. Many. Why Dai Nippon?
Gurukṛpā: But this was eight-thirty at night he came. And I asked him, "What do you go?" . . .
Prabhupāda: No, Bombay. Bombay, Calcutta.
Gurukṛpā: I asked him, "What time do you go to work?" He said: "At nine in the morning." I said: "But it is eight-thirty. You have been working now eleven hours." He said: "Well, after I leave here, I must go back to the office, finish my work. I will be finished at eleven tonight. Then I will go home. And I will get home at one o'clock, and then I must get up at six in the morning to go to the office." So much tapasya.
Prabhupāda: There is a book, novel. The subject matter is that the man, when he goes out of home the child is sleeping. He has to rise four o'clock to prepare to take the six o'clock train. At that time his child is sleeping. And when he comes back at ten o'clock, his child is sleeping. So he does not know. So when he's grown up, on Sunday he's asking his mother, "Who is this man?" (laughs) This is the subject matter. They have written in a very . . . he is asking, "Who is this man?" When he was child, he did not see, neither inquired. Now, when he's grown up, on Sunday he sees that this man is very intimately talking with his mother. He . . . in this way . . .
Gurukṛpā: The poor man, his office is cheating him, and then his wife stays home and spends all his money, and he is being cheated by her.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He comes, taking so much trouble for the wife. He will lie down with her from eleven at night up to three o'clock. For that, that is home. This is his home. And to maintain this home, he has to take so much trouble. And this is civilization . . . (indistinct) . . . he does not think, "For this little happiness why I am here? Better to become a sannyāsī and live independently. Why I'm taking so much . . .?" No. And after working so hard, in old age if you ask permission from the wife, "I have done so much for you, for family. Now let me retire." "Eh? You'll retire? Then who will look after me?" The home member not satisfied, and you are not satisfied. You are working so hard—how you can be satisfied? And they find still insufficient income. They are not satisfied. But what is this home? To sense gratification. You are not serving this woman. Because this woman, as soon as she is not able to serve you by her sex, then there is divorce. Nobody's serving anybody, but everyone is serving his own senses. So actually the man is serving his own senses, uṣṭra. He's eating his own blood and thinking, "Thorn very palatable." He's eating thorn. What is his palatable? Cutting the tongue and blood is coming out, and when the thorn's chewed with this blood, it makes little taste. Blood has got taste. And he's thinking, "Thorn is very nice." Therefore they have been called as uṣṭra. Uṣṭra eats own, drinks or eats his own blood, and takes the thorn as very good. Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-khara (SB 2.3.19). These animals have been specially mentioned: dog; viḍ-varāha means hog; uṣṭra; and khara means ass. How Bhāgavata has selected. (laughs) Śva means dog. Dog, after technical education, if he does not get a post where he can use this computer and other big, big . . . he's a dog. He goes to a bank, "Sir, I am expert in this machine work. Can you give me a job?" "No, no. There is no vacancy." Then again he puts his tail, goes another, another. What is the use, this? The big, big technologists, unless they get a suitable job, they're just like dog. Dog is loitering in the street, no food. So these men with all this high technological knowledge, if they do not get a proper master, they are nothing but dog. This is university education. So dog and hog. Hog means he can eat any nonsense thing, whole day working, if he gets sex—never mind whether mother, sister or daughter or any. You see the hog's family. They are very much sexually inclined, without any discrimination, and eating stool. This is his life.