Pañcadraviḍa: I went to see my grandfather when he was dying. They said, "We have a nice arrangement. He's going to die in two weeks. Don't tell him. He'll die peacefully in his sleep." Was their arrangement.
Prabhupāda: Coma.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Many of the scientists actually believe in God, and they think that by experimentation, they'll come to understand God more and more.
Prabhupāda: That is another thing. That we admire, that you are trying to understand God. But there is no God, and they are becoming God—that is nonsense.
Rāmeśvara: Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Rāmeśvara: Some people say that Darwin was paid by the British . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, I said.
Rāmeśvara: . . . to make propaganda . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: . . . against religion.
Prabhupāda: Not against religion. Against Indian culture.
Rāmeśvara: Against Indian culture.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Britishers made so many attempts that Indians were uncivilized, and "We have come here to make them civilized."
Rāmeśvara: So for colonialism.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just to . . . Because there are other powers, so they are envious that "Why these rascals, they occupy India?" So, so just to support this occupation, I mean to say, yes, occupation, and they made so many propaganda. Even during Gandhi's movement, they engaged one American woman to write a book, Mother India. Mother India. So the . . . In that Mother India is simply full of stories where there are so defects. Suppose a priest in the temple is attached with some woman, like that, so many stories like . . . So one Punjabi, what is his name? Gobha,(?) Gobha. He counteracted that book—Uncle Sam. (laughter) So these things are going on.
Madhudviṣa: Is that where that name came from, "Uncle Sam"?
Prabhupāda: Uncle Sam is the American word?
Trivikrama: Yes, yes.
Pañcadraviḍa: No.
Prabhupāda: And he described the American life is so, badly.
Pañcadraviḍa: Is there any . . .
Prabhupāda: And Gandhi said, "This Mother India is the drain inspector's report."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The drain inspector?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Sewage inspector report. These things will go on. So long people will remain in darkness about Kṛṣṇa consciousness, these things, rubbish things, will go on. I'll find out fault in you; you'll find out fault in me. That's all. Because the basic principle of material civilization is envy. I do not like you; you do not like me. That's all. Envy. Everywhere—individually, nationally, socially, family-wise - everyone is envious. That is the material disease. And therefore in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is said that dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra paramo nirmatsarāṇam (SB 1.1.2). Those who are interested in superfluous religious system, cheating system of religion . . . Just like the Christians, they say that "Christ has taken contract for all our sinful activities."
Trivikrama: Yes.
Prabhupāda: This is cheating system. Once Christ advised that you should not act sinfully - and then he takes contract for all your sinful life. How cheating it is. Directly cheating.
Pañcadraviḍa: Who was cheating?
Prabhupāda: These so-called Christians. They say that "We are very weak. We cannot restrain ourself from sinful activities, so we believe in Christ, and he has taken contract for suffering. That's all."
Trivikrama: "So let us go on sinning."
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Pañcadraviḍa: Kill him again.
Prabhupāda: Yes. This is their philosophy. And as they pass laws in the Parliament, similarly, these churches approve: "Yes, homosex is all right." Then it is all right. This cheating system is going on. Similar cheating system is the Hindus also. You'll find in Calcutta, in College Street, so many butcher house. And they have kept one goddess Kālī that "We are eating Mother Kālī's prasāda." That's it. This is going on.
Brahmānanda: Kālī eats meat?
Prabhupāda: Kālī does not eat meat, but it is the śāstra's injunction that those who are unable to give up meat-eating, they may sacrifice one goat—not cow—one small animal before the goddess Kālī, on amāvāsya (new moon) day—night, not day—and they can eat it.
Pañcadraviḍa: If it's offered, though, who accepts it? Whose prasādam is it? Who takes it?
Prabhupāda: The prasādam is not . . . That meat is not taken by Kālī, but it is taken by the witches and others, associates of Kālī.
Brahmānanda: In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, you write that goddess Kālī takes the prasādam of her husband, Lord Śiva.