Svarūpa Dāmodara: Sometimes the problem is too serious. They take it just lightly.
Prabhupāda: That is another foolishness. The same thing, that the rabbits close the eyes. Yes. Monkeys. And when the monkeys face a tiger, immediately he closes his eyes and the tiger immediately attacks. So it is like that. He cannot solve the problem—"All right, let it go on." And that is the position. Because our real problem is death. Nobody wants to die. So the scientist cannot give any relief from death. They are talking simply superficially. They cannot give any relief from death.
But my real problem is death. I do not wish to die. I do not wish to become old man. What scientists can help me? I do not wish to become diseased. What the scientist can help me? I do not wish to take birth. These things, they cannot do anything. Major problem they have set aside. And they are, what is called, jackal.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Jackals?
Prabhupāda: Yes. There is a story of the jackal. He became the king of the forest.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I think I have read this . . . (indistinct) . . . Hindi?
Prabhupāda: No, it is Sanskrit. And in Bengal it is called ban āsiyā rāja: "In the forest, a jackal has become king." They are like that. Nīla-varṇa-sṛigālavat. When . . . there is big story about this jackal. I will tell you something. A jackal came in the village and he fell in the tub where, what is called, that water?
Brahmānanda: Well?
Prabhupāda: No, no. The washerman keeps the water for dipping, making little bluish.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: For coloring? Some dye?
Prabhupāda: For coloring. That blue, blue. So the washerman kept the dye water in a big tub, and the jackal fell in it. So jackal fell in it; he became blue, all blue. So he fled away, and all the animals said: "What is this animal? What is the animal? What is that animal? Oh." All, even lion became surprised, "We have not seen this animal." So "Who are you, sir?" "I am sent by God to rule over you." "Oh?" So they began to worship him as God, as leader.
Then one day other jackals, they were crying, "Waa, waa." But the jackals cannot stop. If others jackals cry, the jackal cannot stop. So he also began to "Waa, waa." Oh, then they, "Oh, this rascal is a jackal." Tāvac ca śobhate mūrkho yāvat kiñcin na bhāṣate. That these rascals are jackals. Now they are talking nonsense. We can detect that, "Here is a jackal."
So we have to expose them. They are not leader; they are jackals.