Jayapatākā: The local committee, they want to give. They're coming June 4th to see him. I said, "There's no use to see him. He'll never agreee."
Prabhupāda: No.
Jayapatākā: They said, "But we feel, etiquette, we should give him the chance. We'll tell him that 'You've not done anything forty years. You're not going to do anything. Why don't give it to Śrīla Prabhupāda of ISKCON? Let them develop,' 'cause we need the preaching. And if he denies, then we'll come back to Dacca, pass resolution and give it to ISKCON."
Prabhupāda: That's all. That is . . . That will be glorious. They are very mean-minded. All mean-minded class, they have assembled together. That's all.
Jayapatākā: You are like the sun, Śrīla Prabhupāda. In front of you the darkness cannot remain. Everything is visible as it is. Your words remove all doubt.
Prabhupāda: Even . . . He's . . . Even a simple Vaiṣṇava, he also advocated, "Why you are keeping?"
Jayapatākā: Yeah. Kṛṣṇa dāsa Bābājī.
Prabhupāda: Although he's considered their man, but his business is Vaiṣṇava. He told the real truth. That is Vaiṣṇava. "Why you are holding? You cannot do anything."
Jayapatākā: Even they give it, they're not giving anything.
Prabhupāda: No.
Jayapatākā: 'Cause they can't hold anyway. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: That is the . . .
Jayapatākā: (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Jayapatākā: You told me.
Prabhupāda: And these ācārya and president, they are less than paid servant. They are afraid of.
Jayapatākā: Yeah, Tīrtha's brother and son . . .
Prabhupāda: That "Some way or other, we're keeping some position." And if Samvit kicked him out, then where is his position? That is another problem. This Rādhā-Govinda Mahārāja, what he can do if he's driven away? In this age he cannot have his own institution. And in this age where he'll go? They are . . . "These politicians, these old men, they cannot do now. So give them some false position, that 'You are president, ācārya.' They will not rebel at least." And as soon as they do something against them, "We shall drive away: 'No, you cannot be president. Another president.' " That's all. They had no love for him, neither he has any love for them. It is simply official. This Samvit dāsa one, Samvit, also not very intelligent. Tīrtha Mahārāja's son, he wants to keep the property in his name and utilize it for his personal . . . That way. Preaching and preaching and . . . they don't care for. And you said that there is some . . . still some strength amongst themselves.
Jayapatākā: Yes, there's some, yeah. Some amongst them are trying to get the Govinda and other, to be strong, to withstand them, but I don't think they have that strength.