Prabhupāda: Yes, that's right. So where is the institution, university, for educating people of the spirit soul? Where is it? Therefore the whole civilization is going in the wrong way.
Psychiatrist: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) He feels there are some people, for example, I mean who are teaching the right thing, those. There are missionaries who go to the Amazon jungles and also to Africa to teach. And he feels they are offering . . .
Prabhupāda: But we, we find the great cities are great jungles. A great city is a great forest. (lady begins speaking) Let her come forward.
Lady: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) She has said that you have repeatedly talked about the . . . those things which are wrong with the society. So she would like to know exactly what you mean by modern society and exactly what you feel are the problems with the society . . .
Prabhupāda: The modern society is not taking care of the driver; they are taking care of the car. This is the defect.
Lady: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) Also she would like to know what other societies there have been in history which did not have these problems.
Prabhupāda: The problems . . . in the material world this problem is always there. Sometimes it is more; sometimes it is less. Material world means ignorance of the driver. That ignorance is sometimes very big, and sometimes it is less, but ignorance is there.
Lady: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) She said in other words, it's not a . . . she saying in other words it's not a problem simply of the modern society but a problem of man, and then also she said: "What are . . ." she keeps saying: "What are specifically . . . what are more specifically the problems, and how can we solve the problems?"
Prabhupāda: The real problem is that the human being . . . I am speaking only of human being, not of the animals, because the animals, they do not know what is the problem—neither they can solve it. It is not possible. In the human form of body there is possibility of making a solution of this problem. Therefore in the human society, along with other educational department, there should be an educational department to understand what is soul, what it is nature, how it is working, what is the future, wherefrom it is coming. So many things there. But there is no education for this prime factor, the driver. There is no education.
Lady: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) She feels that your affirmation is somewhat radical because she feels there are many groups and organizations of religion and philosophy and so on that are dealing with these matters.
Prabhupāda: Then why there is no solution? Why there is no solution?
Lady: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) That, therefore she is asking you, "What is the solution?"
Prabhupāda: Yes, so that solution we are preaching, we are trying to preach, at least one section of people should know the science of the soul. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Just like medical necessity is there, does not mean that everyone should become medical man. Similarly, the science of soul is necessity—it does not mean that everyone will be the transcendentalist or the scientist about soul. But at least one section of people must be there who knows perfectly well about the science of soul. As much as there is medical man—he knows perfectly well what is psychology . . . what is physiology, anatomy—there is engineer—he knows how to construct—similarly, a section must be there who knows perfectly well about the science of soul. So as there is need of medical men, engineer or lawyers or other, similarly, there is need of one section of expert who knows the science of soul. The medical man, the engineer, the archaeologist or this or that, they are all meant for the body. Similarly, there must be one expert section who are meant for the soul. But all the universities, all the universities, they have got these departments—medical department, engineering department, law department—but there is no department which is teaching perfectly well about the science of soul.