Prabhupāda: The philosophy classes are being closed now in the universities.
Harikeśa: It is useless.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They're thinking it is useless, simply mental speculation. And Bhagavad-gītā says, tattva jñānārthaṁ darśanam. Philosophy means to find out the ultimate truth. That is philosophy.
Harikeśa: But actually this is the proof of Marx's philosophy . . .
Prabhupāda: No. Therefore I say the dialectic. The dialectics should proceed further. They have ended this, that the workers should be the proprietor.
Harikeśa: So now the . . . the . . . there's no philosophy. So the worker, they are simply frustrated. Now they're going to rebel and revolt without any philosophy.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That will be natural. Because if you cannot give perfect philosophy, then they will revolt. Andhā yathāndhaiḥ . . . you are a rascal, and you're trying to lead other rascals with some rascal philosophy. How long this rascaldom will go on?
Harikeśa: So there's no need for any movement . . .
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Harikeśa: . . . Communist movement.
Prabhupāda: There is need of movement.
Harikeśa: No, no. I mean there's no need for any organized Communist movement, because according to their philosophy. . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, because they're fools. They're as fools. They are simply criticizing the capitalists, that much. That much, there is something ideal that the state property should be equally divided. That's a good thesis. But they do not know that it is not the ultimate solution. You do not know who is the proprietor. You do not know the proprietor. These things belongs to Him. You are using it. I am thinking that, "You are proprietor." But actually you are not proprietor, He is proprietor. If that is the position, then I take it from you that, "You cannot possess. I shall possess." Then what is my possess? The same thing. As you took it, took it out from this man, so I took it . . . take it from you. So my position is the same. If you cannot find out who is the actual proprietor, then you may change hands; the problem remains there, that it, it does not belong to you. You are forcibly snatching from the proprietor, or without knowing the proprietor, you are making arrangement. What is the value of this arrangement?
Harikeśa: So it's just the animal philosophy of the strong dominating the weak . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. That's it.
Harikeśa: . . . in, in a new package.
Prabhupāda: "Might is right." That's all. This is going on.
Harikeśa: So this was the philosophy of Machiavelli that, "Might makes right."