Prabhupāda: Fortune, there. It is already there. I am simply informing.
Madhudviṣa: No, but you actually engage them in ajñāta-sukṛti, meritorious activities, even unwillingly performed.
Prabhupāda: But this is the duty of everyone. One should not . . . That is enjoined in the . . . Gurur na sa syāt (SB 5.5.18): "One should not become a guru if he cannot do that." Otherwise he is cheating. Why he should become guru? Why he should accept service from so many people if he cannot rightly direct them? Then he becomes bound up by the karma laws. If I take one paisa from you without any service, I have to pay you four paisa.
Mahāṁśa: In the spiritual world the living entity is full of knowledge, so does he . . .
Prabhupāda: That is enjoined, ordered, "You should not become guru if you cannot save him. You should not become father if you cannot save him." This is śāstric injunction. First word is gurur na sa syāt pitā na sa syāt (SB 5.5.18). Why you are claiming? Just like . . . We are not going to become guru like that . . . What is that rascal? Yogi . . .?
Gurukṛpā: Guru Mahārāja.
Revatīnandana: Which one? There's many rascals.
Prabhupāda: That big rascal, Transcendental Meditation.
Madhudviṣa: Maharishi.
Prabhupāda: Maharishi. He is giving assurance, "If you practice this yoga, then you'll be very able to do your business nicely, your . . ." These things are . . . And he is guru.
Mahāṁśa: And he charges them a fabulous amount of money.
Prabhupāda: Yes. No, unless . . .
Gurukṛpā: That verse, guravo bahavo santi śiṣya-śāntapa hārakaḥ . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, they say to their friend that "These people want to be cheated. Why shall I not cheat?" He says. One of his secretaries came to him . . . "If you want God, then go to Bhaktivedanta Swami."
Pañcadravida: He said that.
Prabhupāda: He said, this Mahesh Yogi. "My business is cheating, because these rascals wanted to be cheated. So why shall I not cheat and get some money?"
Gurukṛpā: But he doesn't give the money to you, though. He knows you are real.
Prabhupāda: No . . . Not . . . That is another thing, but he knows that "God consciousness you can get there."
Gurukṛpā: Then he's a rascal.
Mahāṁśa: Yesterday you said that one cheater takes from the other cheater; so he is a cheater, he is taking from other cheaters.
Gurukṛpā: You mentioned in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam that the one cheater takes the money, another cheater takes it . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, his business is cheating. His business is cheating. He said, "These rascals want to be cheated, so why not cheat?"
Madhudviṣa: So we shouldn't be so angry at him. Some people are serving coffee because people want coffee. Some people are selling bīḍīs because people want bīḍīs. So if some people want to be cheated, so he is simply performing a function of society.
Prabhupāda: That is the world. Therefore the whole world is the society of cheater and cheated. That is the version of my Guru Mahārāja. The whole so-called human society means a bunch of cheaters and cheated. That's all.
Pañcadravida: Īśopaniṣad says, asuryā nāma te lokā (ISO 3). He is going to hell even though he knows that he is cheating. He is also going to hell, even if he is conscious that he's cheating.
Prabhupāda: So don't be cheater; don't be cheated. That is intelligence.
Pañcadravida: Śrīla Prabhupāda, what is our fortune that we've come in contact with a qualified guru? What have we done to qualify to come in contact with you?
Revatīnandana: In other words, why do some come and others not come?
Prabhupāda: It is the ajñāta-sukṛti, say. Ajñāta-sukṛti. You might have done something, very pious activities, which you do not know, but on the effect of.
Madhudviṣa: So it seems like it's up to chance, then.
Prabhupāda: No chance. Just like a sinful man. Some saintly person comes to him and he gives some money to him. He does not know that "I am doing very pious activity," but because he has given, he becomes pious.