Dr. Ware: If you go to a good play or see a good film or hear some good music, you feel satisfied and you don't have to flash back next night because you've seen it before. You have a feeling that, you know . . .
Śyāmasundara: Even that, a good play or a good music, is not very long lasting. When you come out of the theater you're hungry. When your hunger is satisfied, then you want some sex life. Then you want to drive home fast. There's always something there to agitate the material senses.
Dr. Ware: The trouble is, aren't you going to lead yourself into this difficulty: if you are spiritually satisfied, you would sit down and do nothing. And if everybody were doing that, we should be rather back to where we started rather than have enough food or music or transport.
Prabhupāda: That is for the voidist, not for the spiritualist. The spiritual life there is enough activities for even scientists. That they do not know. They mean spiritual life mean void. That is negation of the present activities only, negative idea. But actually, when you stop material activities your real activity begins. That is spiritual life. The spirit, spirit soul, is active. You cannot stop it. You cannot stop it. Now it is acting through these coverings of material, matter, therefore it is imperfect activities. But if the activity is uncovered by material things, that is real activity.
Mensa Member: But aren't desires biological in cause?
Dr. Ware: They're necessary.
Mensa Member: Yes, but they're biologically necessary rather than spiritually necessary.
Dr. Ware: Well, may I say, let's go farther, that when you say biologically necessary, is it necessary for you to be alive? What scientific . . .
Śyāmasundara: Prabhupāda has told us that even in the spiritual world there is desire to have the senses enjoy. Isn't that so?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Ware: But I think you need . . . I agree, I would say you need both. I want spiritual life, material life.
Mensa Member: (indistinct) . . . spiritual thing, I mean, isn't it like people talking about China or New York . . . (indistinct) . . . about it, in fact it might even be a little . . . (indistinct)
Dr. Ware: Well, I think to each person his picture is different, too.
Śyāmasundara: The idea there is that in spiritual activity everything is seen in relationship to God, and if you serve God with your every activity . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. The same example, just like this finger is part and parcel of body. So long it is attached with the body it has got activities. You cut it from my body, there's no activity.