Rūpānuga: Categories.
Prabhupāda: Total material elements, mahat-tattva.
Rūpānuga: Is that differentiated?
Prabhupāda: Mahat-tattva is differentiated.
Rūpānuga: Different categories?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: No, the time element is there in mahat-tattva, so it is already twenty-five elements there including time. At this stage also, the impregnation of the Lord's internal potency means that the jīvas are already impregnated here from pradhāna. So here the living entities are in pure goodness.
Prabhupāda: The living entities are always in pure goodness. This material covering is separated. The living entities can be freed from material covering at any moment. Just like water and oil, it is always separated—it does not mix. The Vedic mantra also says, asaṅgo 'yaṁ puruṣaḥ. Actually, it is not mixed, but it is covered. Such covering can be taken away at any moment simply by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate (BG 14.26). I think in First Canto, that description you try to understand, you'll get.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Now in the First Canto in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam also it is not very clear.
Prabhupāda: Then Second Canto, the development of sṛṣṭi-tattva, there you'll get.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I think there is also reference in the Bhagavad-gītā, this Hiraṇmaya, because sometimes it's also called Brahman.
Prabhupāda: Brahmajyoti. What?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Brahman.
Prabhupāda: Brahman, yes. He's called Hiraṇya-garbha, Brahmā.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Hiraṇya-garbha. It's also said in this state, pradhāna state, the cause and effect are not clearly manifested.
Prabhupāda: Caitanya caritāmṛta, did you refer nityānanda-tattva?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: No, I haven't studied that yet.
Prabhupāda: Read it, you'll get clue there. Maybe in the Third Chapter. Bring up here. We shall . . . first part, take it.