Prabhupāda: Just try to understand how transmigration, that tyaktvā deham. Tathā dehāntara. How dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13) is... He has proposed, or desired, "If I could have possessed such body...," "If I could have gone in heavenly planets...," "If I could have become tiger..." In this way he's desiring. Hañā māyāra dāsa kari' nānā abhilāṣa. (referring to worker making noise:) That's all right. Let him work. Otherwise...
Jayapatākā: I can have him do all the..., another system.
Prabhupāda: So māyā means simply you are desiring one after another, one after another, one after another, one after another. Hmm? Who will find out this verse? Hañā māyāra dāsa kari' nānā abhilāṣa. Where it is?
Jayapatākā: A song?
Prabhupāda: Caitanya-caritāmṛta. So we're desiring one after, one after, one after, one after... The last desire... Because if you become addicted to certain type of desire, that is prominent at the time of death. Yaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran bhāvaṁ tyajaty ante kalevaram, sadā tad-bhāva-bhāvitaḥ (BG 8.6). So māyā's machine is immediately prepared. That mind—manaḥ buddhiḥ ahaṅkāra. Subtle. You cannot see. You see the body is burning, finished. Rascal, that is not finished. Na hanyate hanyamāne (BG 2.20). It is not finished. There is subtle body. The subtle body carries. The example is just like flavor of rose garden carries, similarly, the desire is carried, and he requires a machine to ride on, particular. So there are eighty-four million machines, and he's, karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa (SB 3.31.1), by the supervision of māyā, carried to this mother's womb. The soul is injected through the semina of the father, and he enters the womb of the mother, and mother gives the ingredients, develops his body, and as soon as it is complete, comes out. Where is the difficulty to understand this transmigration of the soul? These rascals have no brain. That verse I have explained this morning.
Hari-śauri: From the Bhāgavatam?
Prabhupāda: But they have no brain to understand this. No, no. Not this volume. The Tenth Canto I am explaining now.
Hari-śauri: Tenth Canto.
Prabhupāda: How nature is working, māyayā, they have no... They are studying gross science. Actually science means how nature is working. But how nature is working, they do not know, and they are very much proud. "Nature's study..." They say they have studied nature, but they do not know how. Here it is said, bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni yantrārūḍhāni māyayā (BG 18.61). This machine is made by nature. Do you know how it is made? So where is your brain? This is a machine, and everyone knows this machine is made by nature. So how do you know? How do you know? Then where is your brain? You are concerned with the typewriting machine—"cuta-cuta-cut." Study this machine. Produce a machine like this. Then where is your brain? What do they answer? What do they answer? They are trying?
Brahmānanda: Future.
Prabhupāda: So in our Back to Godhead these things should be demonstrated, not that imitating that tech(?) position, like this. These things should be... If you have got intelligence, this description what I am giving you, that should be explained. This nonsense should be stopped. That means we are imitating them. Explain this, how, yantrārūḍhāni māyayā (BG 18.61), how this machine is being made by māyā. Then we shall give them brain. So be intelligent and try to give them brain. And if you remain dull-brained like that, then you'll say, "Yes, yes, you are right." You are not right. Every step we shall... "You are not right. You are wrong. You have no brain." That should be our idea.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Very outspoken. Outspoken.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. "You are all rascals. Prepare a machine like... This is machine, Bhagavad-gītā. Prepare a machine. Make a female machine and male machine and produce innumerable machine. Then we shall understand that you have got brain." And actually you are seeing. How is that? A male machine and female machine combine together—another machine?
Satsvarūpa: They have some machines that have better memories, and can do things that human mind can't do.
Prabhupāda: Again you... Again we... How is that?
Satsvarūpa: They could challenge that nature's machine is very wonderful, but they can make a machine out of metal and electronics...
Prabhupāda: "They can make."
Satsvarūpa: There are such machines that have better memory and can figure...
Prabhupāda: What is that better memory?
Satsvarūpa: Well, even a calculator can immediately multiply some...
Prabhupāda: But calculator machine, another man is working, so where is brain, calculating? The machine is made by another man, and it is being worked by another man, so where is the brain in the calculator? That is... So you are misled immediately. Bluff.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Word jugglery. Simply a word jugglery.
Prabhupāda: That's all. Yes. What is the value of that? The machine is made by another brain, and it is being worked over by another brain. And who has made that brain who has made the machine? That is māyā. Then ultimately you have to come to māyā. And who is giving direction? Big brain, Kṛṣṇa. Mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram (BG 9.10). He is making machine—carācaram. Yasyājñayā... Sṛṣṭi-sthiti-pralaya-sādhana-śaktir ekā chāyeva yasya bhuvanāni vibharti durgā (BS 5.44). Māyā is Durgā, the superintending deity of this whole, whole universe. And she is Durgā, therefore called. "Very difficult." Duḥ-gā. You can approach her very, with difficulty. Duḥ. Duḥ means duḥkha. You cannot understand even Durgā, so what to speak of the Supreme Person who is giving directions to this...? Sṛṣṭi-sthiti-pralaya-sādhana-śaktir ekā chāyeva yasya... (BS 5.44), chāyeva yasya bhuvanāni vibharti durgā. She has no independent intelligence. She is working like chāyā. Just like here, chāyā. This is moving; this is moving.