Mahāṁsa: Does he get second initiation?
Prabhupāda: Everything he will get.
Mahāṁsa: He gets.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Second initiation means recognized, "Now he has become fully competent Vaiṣṇava." Just like master is teaching the servant, "Now you give massage in this way, this way." But that does not mean he has become servant.
Pañcadraviḍa: What if the śūdra . . . person working as śūdra says: "I can do so much. I can . . ."
Prabhupāda: First of all, try to understand. A devotee is neither brāhmaṇa nor śūdra. He may act like a śūdra, but he is not śūdra. He may act like a brāhmaṇa; he is not brāhmaṇa. He is Vaiṣṇava. Just like gopīs. The gopīs, they are village cowherds women. They are, according to social construction, they are not very high class. They did not belong to the brāhmaṇa class. But their worship, method of worship, has been taken the highest. Ramyā kācid upāsanā vrajavadhū-vargeṇa (Caitanya-manjusa). They were village girls, and practically their character was also not good, because at dead of night they are going to Kṛṣṇa. But why they have been taken as the most . . . topmost devotee of Kṛṣṇa? Because the love was so, I mean, high class. It is the test, how much one has learned to love Kṛṣṇa. That is wanted. Apparently he may appear as a brāhmaṇa, a śūdra or vaiśya. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The only business is to see: sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adho . . . (SB 1.2.6). (aside) Aiye. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. That is wanted.
Pañcadraviḍa: What if the person cannot chant sixteen rounds a day. He says: "I can't . . ."
Prabhupāda: Then he is not even a human being. He is a rascal, that's all. He is not a human being. What to consider of talking about . . .? Don't talk about him if he cannot chant sixteen rounds. He is not even a human. He's an animal.
Mahāṁsa: In one of your purports, Prabhupāda, you said Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Mahārāja, he said a devotee is one who chant sixty-four rounds . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.