Svarūpa Dāmodara: They want to stop spread of Communism.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Similarly, now America has to do the same thing to stop demonism. Then your nation will be leader. You understand; you have trust in God. Now it is your business to trust in real God and work for Him. You cannot . . . I have explained already. You cannot stop Communism. You have to stop demonism. That is your real business. Communism is another type of demonism.
So if you remain a demon, so what is the use of stopping another demonism? The same example: Stool, the upside is dried up. You cannot say, because it is upside of stool, it is better side. Stool is stool. Guer ei pith na opith. (dog yapping loudly) (to dog) Come on. That's all right. He cannot make the condition of the world better by . . . just like Professor Kotovsky. He was saying that there must be revolution. I was talking of authority. So the authority you must have to accept. So he said that authority is accepted upon revolution.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: After revolution?
Prabhupāda: Ah. Because I said about authority . . . so this is fact. Now, in Russia the authority was the czar. Now, after this Bolshevik revolution, Lenin became authority. That was his point. I said that you have to accept one authority. That you cannot change. That he said that, "Yes, that I accept, but authority has to be changed by revolution." And yes, we accept that. But the ult . . . when you come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness authority, then there is no more necessity of change." Yaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ manyate nādhikaṁ tataḥ (BG 6.22). Everyone is trying to achieve the greatest profit. So when he gets Kṛṣṇa, he is satisfied: no more profit; final profit. Yaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ manyate nādhikaṁ tataḥ.
So there is no more necessity of revolution, because that is the ultimate peaceful condition. So if you do not come to the ultimate condition of peace, then this revolutionary method will go on, continue. There will be no cessation of revolution, one after, one . . . that is māyā, illusion. I am thinking by going a few step, mirage, I will get the water. But there is no water at all. It is simply illusion. And as soon as you go a few step forward, you see that the water has gone away; again, few step forward, you go again. Again you see. This is going on. So animal, they go forward after the mirage. But a sensible man, he knows that, "This is not water. It appears like water, but it is not water."
Therefore we are making revolution, changing one authority from another, but we do not know they are not authorities. Real authority is Kṛṣṇa. That is their . . . therefore it is called illusion, or māyā. We are thinking that, "From this 'ism' to that 'ism'." Just like there was French Revolution. So the French people are not happy. Still there is unhappiness. Similarly, Bolshevism. We have seen practically in Moscow, nobody is happy. There cannot be happiness. This is going on. So real happiness is Kṛṣṇa. That, people should know. The chemical evolution also, it is also māyā. They are thinking by further improvement . . . just like you were speaking, almost come to the point. That, "almost coming to the point," that will continue. You will never come to the point. This is the position. You'll never come to the right point.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: When the concept of chemical evolution, when this fails, then they have to accept that there is a Supreme Being. This will also fail.
Prabhupāda: No, this will fail. It is already failed. But because they are . . .
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, but they are still hoping.
Prabhupāda: . . . they are fools and rascals, they are still hoping against hope. That's it. It is already failed.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They are not fully convinced yet.
Prabhupāda: Because they are not intelligent. There is a Bengali word, dekhe sekhe theke sekhe.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Dekhe sekhe?
Prabhupāda: Dekhe sekhe. Means when one who is intelligent, he is seeing the things, he is understanding, "Oh, the consequence of such action is this." So . . . and another man is so fool, unless he is actually in that position, he will not learn. One is learning by seeing only, and another is learning by actually being in that position. So who is intelligent?
Yaśomatīnandana: One who is learning by seeing.
Prabhupāda: Yes. One who knows that these material things, it has got a beginning and it has got an end . . . in every day we see that. Even with our body we see that it has a beginning and it has an end. I have seen my father was born and he died. So I am also born; I'll also die. My son is also born, my son will die. This is real experience. But if somebody says that, "I shall not die. We are trying to become immortal," so that is foolishness. That is foolishness. By experience from time immemorial, historical reference, there is no such thing as immortality. But if somebody says, "By chemical evolution we shall become immortal . . ."
Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness proposition is that human life is meant for actual knowledge, or ultimate knowledge. But these rascals are checking that progress. That means the prerogative of human life is being denied to the human society. So this kind of hindrances should be stopped, either by soliciting or even by force, because the human society is being ruined. These things have to be stopped. Therefore I was inquiring that, "Why America went to Vietnam?" To stop Communism. But that sort of stopping will not make any solution. We have to stop demoniac civilization. Then the human society will be happy and in normal condition.