Prabhupāda: That is not logic; that is foolishness.
Kṛṣṇadāsa: Right.
Prabhupāda: That is foolishness. You must be experienced, that "There are counterfeit coins. I shall be very clever, intelligent, to see before accepting any genuine coin." That should be your conclusion. Not that I have met one or two counterfeit coins, therefore I conclude there is no genuine coin.
Bahulāśva: Just like in the old days when they would get a gold coin, they would bite it with their teeth to see if it was real gold, make a test. (break)
Bharadvāja: . . . false, they must also conclude that there's something true. Because that is relative. (break)
Kṛṣṇadāsa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, the basis for scientific rejection of religious dogma is that in the medieval era in . . .
Prabhupāda: Religious . . . not dogma. Just like in Christian religion it is said that "God created this." So this is a fact, but it is not properly explained. And neither the followers understood how to explain, third-class men. So therefore they should accept, that's all. They should accept. Just like one thing, sweetmeat. A child is tasting. So if the child wants how it is made, so he has no power to understand. Therefore he should be simply ordered, "You simply eat, that's all." So in the Bible it is like that. And therefore it is strictly ordered that "You should follow." The things are there, but they are not explained because they were third-class men. Otherwise why the commandment was "Thou shalt not kill," and they killed first of all Jesus Christ? So what class of men they were? All third-class, fourth-class men. How they will understand? Now people have become, by education, advanced . . .
Bahulāśva: We should go this way, Śrīla Prabhupāda, because they have these sprinklers on here.
Prabhupāda: Now they should come to big dictionary. This is Vedic. The Vedic truth is there, but it is not properly explained because the men were fourth-class. Now the people have become advanced, they should take to Vedic literature. Then they will understand how God created. But it was not explained because the people, they were living in the desert and shepherds and all fourth-class, fifth-class men. And now they, these first-class men, all advanced men, they are trying to adjust the tenth-class ideas, and therefore they are becoming rejecting, that "It is all useless." Now they should come to first-class understanding in the Vedas.
Kṛṣṇadāsa: As a matter of fact, there's a very famous quote from Christ . . .
Prabhupāda: I think Christ said that "There are many things to be spoken, but . . ."
Kṛṣṇadāsa: "My father's house has many rooms, but I cannot tell you of it now."
Prabhupāda: Because they were fourth-class, fifth-class men. They will not understand. Therefore it is taken "dogmas." The modern students, they are advanced in education, and these things are not explained. And besides that, their education is atheistic. Therefore they are trying to reject religion.
Nalinī-kaṇṭa: They say you cannot study Veda because Christ said that there is no other way than himself.
Prabhupāda: Because they are fourth class, unless he says like that, how they will stick? They were not intelligent men. Just like Lord Buddha also said, "There is no God." "There is no God," but he is God himself.