Prabhupāda: No, you can see, but you have no eyes to see. Suppose there are so many richest person. We have not seen, but they must be admitted. Just like in your country, Rockefeller. So it does not mean—one has not heard about Rockefeller—therefore it does not exist.
Karandhara: But Rockefeller is constantly having to prove and assert his power.
Prabhupāda: No, prove to you, prove to me, but there are many who does not know. So that does not mean the Rockefeller is not existing. Your limited sense cannot approach. Therefore you cannot say that the thing is not existing. That is another rascaldom.
Karandhara: Well, on the other hand, they say what you can't say you...
Prabhupāda: No, I can't say? Why I cannot say? I am saying, that this man is richer than this man. This man is richer than this man. You go on, go on, go on, studying. But if you cannot study, you cannot approach, that is your inefficiency. But there is existing actually. This man is greater than this man, this man is greater than... That's all. But who is that highest educated... That you do not see. That does not mean He is not existing. There must be, because the step is going on. How can you deny this?
Bali Mardana: We cannot see, but someone else can see.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Satsvarūpa: Kṛṣṇa says He's not manifest to the foolish.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He is... You may not have seen something, but I have seen.
Karandhara: Well, they say that's the universal cop-out. The universal cop-out is to say that God does not reveal Himself to anyone except His devotees.
Prabhupāda: That is natural. That is natural, if a big man, he reveals to his confidential secretaries, not to everyone.
Karandhara: Just like Guru Maharaji. He says you cannot understand that he is God unless you believe in him.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That he'll say, "Everyone is God". But there is comparative God. He cannot say that he is as good God as Kṛṣṇa.
Karandhara: Well, he says that. He says he is Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: No, why? You have not shown any lifting of Govardhana Hill.
Karandhara: He says you have to believe in him to see it.
Prabhupāda: Why shall I believe? You are present, you show me.
Karandhara: He said if you believe in him...
Prabhupāda: How can I believe? You show me; then I believe.
Karandhara: No, no. I bel... Well, they say the same thing about Kṛṣṇa. They say, "Well, bring Kṛṣṇa here and show me."
Prabhupāda: No, Kṛṣṇa is not present, but you say that you are present, so you show me. Kṛṣṇa is not present. But you are present, you rascal. Show me. Then I shall believe you.
Karandhara: Well, I was just using that as a comparison to...
Prabhupāda: No, why comparison? Then everyone is God. I want to see that you have got the opulence of God. You are the richest. You are smuggling, and you are richest? You rascal, you smuggle, and you are the richest? I kick on your face. (laughter) Now I challenge you. I shall kick on your face. You save yourself. You save if yourself.