Indian man (1): Is that also affected through karma maybe, Swāmījī?
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Indian man (1): Is that also affected through karma maybe?
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) . . .the whole, you are getting sufficient food to eat.
Indian man (2): Yes, that we are.
Prabhupāda: But Indians are not getting that. You are better than the Indians in India.
Indian man (2): That's what everybody says who comes from. . .
Prabhupāda: Oh, I see. Here I see you are prosperous than in India. You go to the ration shop, you'll simply find all rejected food grains.
Indian man (1): Rejected food grains.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They are not eatable. No country uses them as food grain, and India, they are selling, a good price.
Indian man (1): The people are lazy too, Swāmījī.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Indian man (1): Don't you think the people are lazy also?
Prabhupāda: Well, you are the same Indian. Why you are not lazy here? It is the government's policy or government's management. You see? To become lazy is the recommendation of the śāstra. To become lazy. . . It is a bad word, "lazy," but actually life means not to work very hard. That is real life. And to work hard for eating, that is animal life; that is not human life. Human life should be very peaceful, without any hard work, and cultivating spiritual knowledge. That is human life, not that to work hard like hogs and dogs throughout the whole day for find out some stool, where it is. That is not human life. So people are being educated to work very hard. That is not human life. Therefore those who have got money, they build nice bungalow in a secluded place to live peacefully, to become lazy. Is it not?
Indian man (1): Yes.
Prabhupāda: Perfection of life means ultimately you become lazy; you haven't got to work. That is perfection, they say. Otherwise, why they get a cottage in a secluded place and live? All these Americans, they go weekend. They leave aside all working, they become tired, hard-working, and they go. That is the intention, that you should live peaceful life, not working very hard. That is human life. Huh? Otherwise why they go outside the city at the weekend? Why do they go? Hmm?
Indian man (1): They want rest, I suppose. They want to rest.
Prabhupāda: So that means lazy.
Indian man (1): No.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Rest means lazy; you don't work.
Indian man (1): If one works five days a week, you rest for two. . .
Prabhupāda: That is another thing. You have to work to become lazy. (laughter) That is another thing. But the goal is to become lazy. You work five days very hard just to become lazy for two days. That's all. So if you have got means to become seven days lazy, you'll prefer it.