Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore you must have pure water. And that water is manufactured or supplied through God's machine, not your machine.
Justin Murphy: Certainly not. And I wouldn't presume to suggest in any way that that was the case. What our problem is, though, is that because . . .
Prabhupāda: So that problem solved if you perform sacrifice. That is the verse. Annād bhavanti bhūtāni parjanyād anna-sambhavaḥ. And yajñād bhavati parjanyo yajñaḥ karma-samudbhavaḥ (BG 3.14). Very simple formula. If you follow this formula, that first of all, if we want regular water supply . . . that we want, not that "if we want." We must have regular water supply. So that is possible by performing yajña.
Justin Murphy: Um-hmm, um-hmm.
Prabhupāda: Yajña means to satisfy the Supreme Lord. That is yajña. Yajñaḥ karma-samudbhavaḥ. Karma means your activities. Whatever you are doing, that is karma. You are working as geologist? What is?
Justin Murphy: Geographer.
Prabhupāda: Geographer. And another man is working in the factory or somewhere else. Everyone is working. So by working, the aim should be how to perform yajña. That is . . . that should the . . . suppose you are geographer, and I am a religious preacher, and he is a cultivator, he is a factory man, he is a motorcar driver. So that is all right. But if we sit down together and perform yajña simply by glorifying the Lord, where is the loss in your part or my part or his part? Where is the loss? Suppose as a geographer you sit down; as a religious preacher, I sit down; as a motorcar driver, he sits down; as a factory worker, he sits down and perform yajña. Yajña means we chant the holy name of the Lord. Where is the difficulty?
Justin Murphy: I wish it were as simple as that for the majority of people.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Everyone. Even the child can take part. Even the child, woman, educated, noneducated, rich man, poor man, worker—everyone can sit down and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. So why don't you accept this formula?
Justin Murphy: How do you know that I haven't? But . . .
Prabhupāda: There is no check.
Justin Murphy: But how about the people living next door or the people . . .?
Prabhupāda: No, they can form different groups. You can form your group. Suppose there is hundred gentlemen in this neighborhood. We can sit down. If he has no time, they can sit down with family members. Everyone has got family. Everyone has got his wife, children or somebody else, servant. Sit down for half an hour and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Where is the difficulty?
Justin Murphy: No difficulty at all. But it doesn't happen, does it?
Prabhupāda: We have to introduce. That is our movement.
Justin Murphy: Sure, yes, I can see that. But why aren't people doing it? Why aren't more people? In Perth, in this city, why aren't more doing it? I'll tell you one reason. And it is because Austra . . .
Prabhupāda: The people should be educated that "If you do not perform this yajña, you will suffer."
Justin Murphy: But, of course, there are conflicting educations, aren't there?
Prabhupāda: Whatever they may be. What is the wrong there, that if we sit down together and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra without any loss of our factory or work? But if there is some gain, why not try it?
Justin Murphy: A delightful idea, a beautiful idea, and a very simple-sounding idea. How about, however, the Anglicans, the Roman Catholics, who are bound in this. . .
Prabhupāda: No, what is the . . . no, Roman Catholics . . . we don't say that Roman Catholics cannot perform yajña. We say that you chant the holy name of God. So Roman Catholics they have God or not? No God?
Justin Murphy: Well, they think they do a lot of that on a Sunday morning.
Prabhupāda: No, whatever it may be, any religious system . . . Religious system means connection with God. Is it not?
Justin Murphy: Yeah, well, that's what it's supposed to be.
Prabhupāda: Without God, is there any religion? Any religion . . . is there any religion who will say: "No, we have no God"? Is there any religion?
Justin Murphy: No.
Prabhupāda: So we are asking, "Chant the holy name of God." So if you are Roman Catholic . . .
Justin Murphy: Any man's God.
Prabhupāda: Any man's God. God is one. God cannot be two. But we are thinking . . .
Justin Murphy: Roman Catholics don't agree with you on that, do they? Roman Catholics have their own God.
Prabhupāda: No, no. No, no.
Justin Murphy: And this is one of the problems. It's nowhere near as simple as, I am sure, as you suggest, and I wish it were.
Prabhupāda: No, no. It is simple. It is simple.