Prabhupāda: There is a time. Just like young man and old man. Old man is dwindling, young man is growing. It is a question of time. Kali-yuga is bad time. Therefore māyā has got chance to flourish.
Hari-śauri: Eight minutes to seven, Śrīla Prabhupāda. If those people in India who are aware of the actual science, though, if they had come out and spoken against material scientists, then . . .
Prabhupāda: I am speaking.
Bṛṣākapi: You're the only one, though, Prabhupāda.
Sadāpūta: Śrīla Prabhupāda, one problem we face with students and scientists, when we present Kṛṣṇa conscious philosophy, they say . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. We don't condemn the scientists. We say that, "Take credit as much as you can. But why do you defy the existence of God?" That is our protest.
Sadāpūta: They want to be God.
Prabhupāda: That is their foolishness.
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Devotee (1): Śrīla Prabhupāda, is Kali-yuga the age when desires become manifest like this?
Prabhupāda: Answer him.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: In other words, the question is that do people who have such types of low-grade desires take birth in the Kali-yuga. So the question is naturally, that yes, everyone is taking birth according to their karma. But we can change our destiny by becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious. Just like if a sick man is offered medicine, so if he takes medicine, then he can become cured from his disease. Similarly, Kali-yuga means very high temperature, and the medicine is there in the form of the holy name, harer nāma (CC Adi 17.21). So we have to take advantage. Otherwise, everyone in Kali-yuga is condemned.
Prabhupāda: Have we not published that, "You have created 747. All right, take credit. But you cannot make a mosquito with pilot. Can you?" "No." "So why . . . how can you defy the supreme creator?" We are taking it, there is supreme creator.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: That basic point they find it hard to understand.
Prabhupāda: No. Because they are blind. It is common sense, that you have created the 747. So somebody must have created this, a small insect. This is common sense. You cannot see Him; that is your bad fortune. But somebody has done it.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, that's our logic.
Bṛṣākapi: To be able to be so fooled, that is the greatest wonder, how it's so obvious that there's a creator, but yet one can say there is no creator.
Prabhupāda: That is foolishness. That we are protesting that, "You rascal, you stop this nonsense talking." There is son and there is mother, so there must be father. This is conclusion. And "I do not see father. I do not see that." But without father, how there can be son? This is intelligence.
Devotee (2): Prabhupāda, on the one hand you say the scientists are rascals, and on the other you say not to condemn them.
Prabhupāda: No, the rascal means when they say there is no God. Then they are rascals. Here is a scientist—he does not say that there is no God. He's not rascal. Anyone who says there is no God, he's a rascal. He may be scientist, philosopher, or anyone. (break) (back in car)
Hari-śauri: I'm a bit puzzled about this, these entities that are born from perspiration, like that. It seems that there's no father and mother, yet like we were just using the argument that there must be a father and mother.
Prabhupāda: No, there is father and mother. The supreme father is Kṛṣṇa, and mother is nature, ultimately. So perspiration also another form of nature. Yes. There's always father and mother.