Devotee (2): These old men, Śrīla Prabhupāda, they're trying but they cannot enjoy very much any more.
Prabhupāda: Unless they enjoy with Kṛṣṇa, it is impossible.
Devotee (2): But they are not finding it so pleasurable as young men?
Prabhupāda: And how we are finding pleasure in chanting and dancing? It is a practice.
Devotee (2): No, I mean sex life.
Prabhupāda: Sex life we are not stopping. But sex life allowed only to the gṛhasthas, householder, restricted. Not illicit sex. We are not stopping sex life. Sex life is required. But under rules. And if you enjoy illicit sex, then the whole society is spoiled. You make the innocent girls spoiled. And they have no other business than prostitution. That means you put the society into chaotic condition. The young girls, they become cheap, you enjoy, then you become irresponsible. You have no family encumbrances, and you do not know how to maintain the family. That is the position. Why this welfare? Because the young boys enjoy the young girls and they get children, the government has to support.
Paramahaṁsa: That's the cause of this whole problem.
Prabhupāda: Yes, the welfare department is for that purpose only.
Paramahaṁsa: And he's the head of the department.
Prabhupāda: He also does the same thing. He does not know how to cure it.
Paramahaṁsa: He said that "I could not live without illicit sex life."
Prabhupāda: Yes. Mostly they remain the bachelor daddy. They pose themself as bachelor, but they are having at least three times sex with contraceptive method, you see. This is going on. And they have accepted as standard. And if you want to reform it, then. . . It is voluntary. The whole basic wrong is they have become godless animals, that's all. The only method is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There is no other, second method. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāḥ (SB 5.18.12). You cannot raise anybody to high qualities unless he is Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is a subtle fact. And example is there. Because some of them have taken to Kṛṣṇa conscious, they are ideal. All others, what is the value? He is a leader, and he says, "Yes, illicit sex is all right. We are enjoying by contraceptive method." If the leaders do something wrong, the others will follow. (to devotee:) Come here. I think you should continue as a gṛhastha for the time being.