Bharadvāja: What is the position of Dhruva Mahārāja, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Hmm? He was a devotee, that's all. He never said that "I am God."
Rāmeśvara: Sometimes devotees argue that "Dhruva Mahārāja, he had a material desire, and still he became perfect. So I can keep my material desires."
Prabhupāda: No, when he gave up material desires, svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi varān na yāce, "I don't want anything," then he became liberated. So long he had material desires, he was not liberated. When he refused to possess anything material, svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi varān na yāce, then he became liberated.
Hari-śauri: But say, like Dakṣa, he saw Lord Viṣṇu and he had a desire for sex.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Hari-śauri: Dakṣa. So he was still having sex desire, but he saw Lord Viṣṇu.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Hari-śauri: So then someone could argue, use that as an argument for returning.
Prabhupāda: Seeing Viṣṇu is not liberation. Just like when Kṛṣṇa was present, so many people saw Him. Does it mean that everyone became liberated?
Hari-śauri: It's a question of understanding His position.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: Just like now many people are seeing you, Śrīla Prabhupāda, but only a few are getting the benefit. Everyone is getting benefited in some way, but only a few are understanding.
Prabhupāda: Apart from me, even one sees Kṛṣṇa.... There were so many. But it is said that in the battlefield, everyone who died seeing Kṛṣṇa, he got liberation.