Prabhupāda: Impersonalists, they are neophytes. My Guru Mahārāja used to say: "With poor fund of knowledge." Their knowledge is imperfect.
Rāmeśvara: Yesterday you were telling a reporter that it is not possible for modern man to travel to the moon, but in your Second Canto you describe that in a previous age of Kali the men had created mechanical means for going to other planets, and they were creating havoc all over the universe, and Lord Buddha appeared to stop their nonsense.
Prabhupāda: Lord Buddha?
Rāmeśvara: I remember . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . they are all mythology. Do they not say?
Rāmeśvara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Therefore I'm stressing on this point, that it is not mythology. It is fact. It is history. (break)
Rāmeśvara: . . . they are sending their sputniks to . . . with televisions.
Prabhupāda: They cannot stay there. They're coming back.
Rāmeśvara: No.
Prabhupāda: They cannot go there.
Rāmeśvara: But they have TV camera on the sputnik, and the sputnik is flying over the planet, and they are filming it, and they don't see any life. That is their argument.
Prabhupāda: No, we have got our own argument, that the other planet is as good as this planet. If this planet is full of life, why is the other not? Analogy. Analogy is also another science.
Rāmeśvara: Sometimes, you write in the Kṛṣṇa Book that the demigods can come to this planet invisible.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: So if ordinary man went to some other planet through this sputnik, would he be able to see the demigods?
Prabhupāda: Eh? Why not? Some men arguing that . . . because he did not see, it does not mean there is no life. That they cannot say. Just like in the water we don't see. Superficially.
Hṛdayānanda: Yeah, if they take a sputnik . . .
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Hṛdayānanda: If they take a camera over the water, they won't see any life.
Rāmeśvara: Or over the fire. They will not see any life on the sun . . .
Prabhupāda: No.
Rāmeśvara: . . . with their camera.
Hṛdayānanda: Even over the earth, you can't see life. They took pictures of the earth, you can't see life.
Prabhupāda: That, that is their defect, that their eyes are defective. They cannot go there. That they will not accept. The camera which they manufactured, that is also defective, because you have manufactured it. You are defective. Your senses are defective. Therefore, in the Vedic literature, "Don't try to see with your eyes, but try to see by ear, śruti." Śāstra-cakṣuṣā. You should accept as your eyes the śāstras, not your so-called eyes.