Prabhupāda: Yes, this is illusion. Actually, he is not satisfied.
Karandhara: You once gave the example, Prabhupāda, of the drunkards in New York.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Karandhara: If they just get a bottle of wine, they are satisfied, even though they are freezing and starving and have no place to stay.
Prabhupāda: Yes, they are satisfied. Real satisfaction will prevail when one knows God. That is real satisfaction. Bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram (BG 5.29). A devotee will see how by God's design the sea is working, how the sky is staying, how the sun is rising. He is satisfied, "Oh, how my Lord is great. How He has arranged." That is satisfaction
Svarūpa Dāmodara: But Śrīla Prabhupāda, these, the living entities, the jīvātmā within the . . . and the Paramātmā within, why the living entities suffering even the Paramātmā is directing the living entity within?
Prabhupāda: That is not very difficult. Government is always with you, but why you are suffering, and why one is enjoying? Government is not partial. You have created your situation to suffer. That's all. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says that, "You surrender to Me. I will give you all protection." But you will not do. You must suffer. Suffering is there. As soon as you are disobedient to God, immediately suffering begins. That is māyā. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says: "Now you give up all this nonsense business. Surrender to Me. I will give you all protection." That you will not do. Then you must suffer. That is the song:
- māyār bośe jāccho bhese
- khāccho hābuḍubu bhāi
- (Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura)