George Orwell: I see, I see. That's like most religious names derived quite often out of ridicule or scorn. Like the Quakers, that was originally a scornful . . . a title of scorn. And Methodists, they were the methodical ones. That was a title of scorn. And the Baptists were the baptizers.
Prabhupāda: Real Vedic principle is called varṇāśrama: observing the principle of four varṇas—brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya . . . it is a very long science. Brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, this is called varṇa. And brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa, this is called āśrama. So the Vedic civilization is called varṇāśrama-dharma, not Hindu dharma. This is later contribution of the so-called scholars.
George Orwell: Well, ah, I thank you very much for your time, Your Grace, and I'm glad I finally got acquainted with you. I missed you in Brooklyn.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
George Orwell: I missed you in Brooklyn. I came over there and you were in the backyard. I think you were asleep or having a backrub or something. So I didn't get to see you.
Prabhupāda: Yes, in the daytime I am . . .
George Orwell: It was good to catch you this time, and I hope to see you again.