Prabhupāda: But home means that is from a woman.
Dr. Patel: But there, there, in the home, woman is there . . .
Prabhupāda: That's all right. You cannot stop . . .
Dr. Patel: You are disagree . . . I can argue that way. Then you get annoyed to me. Then you call me big mūḍha.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Why you . . . why one should hate so much woman?
Dr. Patel: We don't hate. We want to protect you from sex.
Prabhupāda: That is . . . not to, not to see face, not to . . .
Dr. Patel: Because woman is the embodiment.
Prabhupāda: You should be trained up.
Dr. Patel: Woman is the embodiment of māyā.
Prabhupāda: Vikāra . . . in spite of woman, you'll not be agitated. That training required.
Dr. Patel: You . . . now, now, that training is very difficult to get. I am very sorry to say that.
Prabhupāda: No, no. No, no. That training is there. We are . . . we are training in that way.
Dr. Patel: You must, you must have, I mean, a sort of a . . . you see, between the objects and indriyas . . .
Prabhupāda: Then according to Swaminarayan's principles, I am a fallen.
Dr. Patel: No, no, no, sir.
Prabhupāda: Because I am always surrounded by young girls.
Dr. Patel: No, no, that is . . . Swaminarayan was sitting with the women, but the sādhus . . .
Prabhupāda: Then why you said . . .? Don't you see . . .?
Dr. Patel: Listen, you are arguing in such a way that there will be a flash between us two.
Prabhupāda: No, no. People should be trained up in such a way that in spite of woman you should not be agitated. That is. That is.
Indian man (1): Our religion . . . (break) . . . and that these boys . . . (break)
Dr. Patel: Sādhus, not sannyāsīs. (break)
Prabhupāda: In European countries . . . in European countries, if you restrict in that way, that will be fanaticism.
Indian man (1): That is what I am telling you. It should not be done immediately like that. (break) . . . it must be trained, and it will take a long time.
Prabhupāda: Why Europe? Nowadays, here also. That is not possible.
Indian man (1): It is not . . . it is not possible.
Prabhupāda: It is simply utopian, utopian.
Dr. Patel: That is all right. It is not possible. So you are doing like this. When it was possible . . .
Prabhupāda: We are, we are training that . . . never mind. That is the training of Cāṇakya Paṇḍita. Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu. The women may be thousands, but you see them as your mother. That's it.
Indian man (1): That's all . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: If you must become agitated even by seeing mother, then what can be done?
Indian man (1): No, no, that should not be done.
Dr. Patel: Then you are a khara, go-khara.
Prabhupāda: Monkey.
Indian man (1): No, but, I mean, a (Hindi) they don't see their own wife even. Goswami was telling that please don't keep a meeting there . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. No, no.
Indian man (1): . . . because my wife is staying there. Because Prabhupāda has also created something, good thing. (break)
Dr. Patel: I'm very sorry that . . . you have misunderstood me. I said this is the strict injunctions. He did it under a command, but that . . .
Prabhupāda: But this cannot be carried.