Prabhupāda: ...nobody said that this meat-eating is bad; now I am saying. You see? So they do not know that it is bad. So they are not offenders.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And now that you are saying, many people are stopping.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Somebody, they act... Just like illicit sex. They did not know that it is sinful. Now they are understanding. There was no good leader. Even the priests. In the Bible it is said, "Thou shalt not kill." The priests never said, because they are meat-eaters. They themselves are meat-eaters. How they can say? "It is our tradition to eat meat." But how the common man will be educated? (break) You can give me the general prasāda today. I will taste. (test?) (break) When one becomes rich, he becomes lazy. What is called? "Leads to poverty"? Luxury. "Luxury leads to poverty." So at one time one become very rich by hard work, and next generation gets the money for nothing, he spends it on luxuries, and the third generation, poor. There are many families, in everywhere. In England, all these English men, in the beginning they worked very hard, expanding their empire and working. Then gradually, when they became Lord family, then luxury. Now they are poverty-stricken.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Their country is very poor now.
Prabhupāda: Very poor.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All of Europe is poor.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Especially Holland and England. Holland and England and France, there was competition for colonization. The same colonization is there in America, Canada. The Frenchmen and—what is that?
Brahmānanda: The Dutchmen, they went to New York first. The Dutch, they first went to New York.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dhanañjaya: Peter Stuyvesant.
Guru-kṛpa: The Scandinavian countries are not so poor. Denmark, Sweden...
Prabhupāda: They are industrious, and they have got resources.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And they have developed more recently, I think. They were not colonizing.
Prabhupāda: No, the colonizing propaganda was amongst these three nation. France, English...
Dhanañjaya: Spanish and Portuguese. Spanish also.
Prabhupāda: Ah, that side, is, means Western side.
Guru-kṛpa: Spanish went to South America.
Dhanañjaya: But the British used to say, "The sun never sets in the British empire."
Prabhupāda: Yes, that we knew in our childhood.
Jayādvaita: Now there's no empire for the sun to set on.
Prabhupāda: No. Now they have made it Commonwealth, keeping some scent, flavor of British empire. Commonwealth.
Rāmeśvara: Prabhupāda? In those early days of colonization they were trying to sail to India by a quick route to get the spices, and it was the same time that Lord Caitanya's movement began. So is that just a coincidence, that they were trying to go to India at the same time?
Prabhupāda: No. What it has got with Caitanya's movement?
Rāmeśvara: I heard... A devotee once told me that they were actually...
Prabhupāda: Oh, again, "heard it from devotee." (laughter) That is very dangerous. What Caitanya's movement has got with politics? Nothing. They drag Caitanya's movement, that. Many rascals do that. It has nothing to do with politics. It is simply spiritual. Rather, even the Mohammedans, they were very much respectful to Caitanya Mahāprabhu. They never took it as, His, the political movement. Now it has become a fashion to take everything from political point of view. Just like in India, they are suspecting you as CIA. "CIA has come to become Vaiṣṇava." (laughter) (break) That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu says. If anyone remembers Kṛṣṇa by seeing somebody, that somebody is a Vaiṣṇava. He gives impetus to remember Kṛṣṇa. Therefore he is Vaiṣṇava. You stick to your principle, Vaiṣṇava. Then māyā will not touch. (break) Where is Prajāpati? He is not here?
Jayatīrtha: No.
Prabhupāda: He is going to...
Jayatīrtha: He's here in Vṛndāvana, but he hasn't come on the walk.
Prabhupāda: So, he is going to demonstrate anything? No.
Rāmeśvara: Is he going to do any play?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Dances?
Jayatīrtha: I'm not sure.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is your desire for that, Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: No, no, I told him that you make some play for showing here in Vṛndāvana.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's all right that the women are dancing?
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Śrutakīrti: You said plays. He could do plays.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Women as far as possible should be no... That's not good.
Devotee (1): He spoke to me about it. He wants to do four performances here.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is that dancing he wants to do or plays?
Devotee (1): Dancing.
Prabhupāda: With women?
Devotee (1): I don't know.
Prabhupāda: No.
Devotee (1): He has to do play?
Prabhupāda: So without woman there is no dancing? (laughter)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: His whole troupe is women. The New York devotees, the Vaikuṇṭha Players, they have drama group.
Prabhupāda: So, drama is good. Woman dancing will not be very much appreciated here. (break) ...scarcity of grains and government will exact taxes for poor-feeding, and it will be used for their own purpose. These are the Kali symptoms. (break) ...stay in future.
Guest (1) (Indian man): Are they doubting for themselves or for us?
Prabhupāda: For us.
Guest (1): They should doubt for themselves.
Prabhupāda: No, apart from that, now, from logical point of view...
Guest (1): Our movement, this movement, is Kṛṣṇa's own movement.
Prabhupāda: No, no, that they may not... I mean to say, from mundane argument, we are selling these twenty lakhs of worth books monthly, so it is being spread all over the world. And those who are purchasing books, they are intelligent men. Then when they will read, how this movement will stop?
Guest (1): It will never stop.
Prabhupāda: It will not stop. The books distribution is so important, that it will continue to stay.
Satsvarūpa: They doubt that our devotees will stick many times.
Prabhupāda: Never mind. We will create by distributing books new devotees. These devotee may be... But others will be created. And we are creating a new generation for becoming devotee at Dallas.