Prabhupāda: The whole Western world is going on for industry, for making money, eat, drink, be merry, wine and women. That's . . . they're all less than śūdras and caṇḍālas. This is the first time attempt is being made to make them human being. Don't mind, I am using very strong words. That is the fact.
Hṛdayānanda: It's true. Yes.
Prabhupāda: Otherwise, they are little animals with four hand, two legs, two hand . . . hand, animals. That's all. Yes. Rejected them. Vedic civilization rejected them, mlecchas and yavanas. But they can be reformed. The process is the same. Not that because they are rejected, they cannot be reclaimed. They can be reclaimed also. Just like you are being done. Although you are coming from the mlecchas and yavanas, by training, you are becoming more than a brāhmaṇa. So there is no bar for them. Unfortunately, these rascals do not agree to accept. As soon as you say: "No more illicit sex," oh, they become angry. As soon as I say: "There is no meat-eating," they become angry. Mūrkhāyopadeśo hi prakopayati na śantaye. The rascals, fools, if you give them good lessons, education, they will be angry. Prakopayati na śantaye. Payaḥ pānaṁ bhujaṅgānām. The snake, if you give him nice milk and banana, the result will be he will increase his poison. Payaḥ pānaṁ bhujaṅgānāṁ kevalaṁ viṣa-vardhanam (Nīti Śāstra). But Kṛṣṇa's grace, Caitanya Mahāprabhu's grace, they are being now trained up. Now you be trained up and revise the whole edition of the Western civilization, especially in America. Then a new chapter will come in. This is the program. Therefore varṇāśrama school required.
Hṛdayānanda: So Prabhupāda, in this varṇāśrama college, is it true that there will be no need, for example, for teaching material history and mathematics and . . .?
Prabhupāda: No, there is no need. History, we simply read Mahābhārata, history of the great men, Pāṇḍavas, how they were fighting for the good cause, how they are reigning. That history. Not this rascal history. If you study that history millions of years, what is that history and what you'll learn from that history? You learn history of the really great men, how they worked, how they ruled. That is a . . . you study history of Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira.