Hayagrīva: How old is Caitanya now?
Prabhupāda: He was about . . .
Hayagrīva: Sixteen?
Prabhupāda: Fifteen, sixteen, like that. Yes. Fifteen, sixteen. Yes, you ask me questions, any, about that.
Hayagrīva: That's His saṅkīrtana organization, that first scene.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hayagrīva: And from this first comes . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the beginning of . . .
Hayagrīva: A scene of Nivās . . .
Prabhupāda: At Śrīnivāsa's house.
Hayagrīva: Are the people mainly young people like Himself?
Prabhupāda: Yes, they were all young.
Hayagrīva: Or are they older brāhmins?
Prabhupāda: Older, only these . . .
Hayagrīva: Only the three, yes.
Prabhupāda: Haridāsa, Śrīnivāsa and Advaita. They were taking part. Otherwise, all, they were young friends, yes. Young boys. No girls. That is not the system in India. (laughs) Yes.
Now when the second scene, mainly their movement was going on and it was becoming popular. Now Caitanya Mahāprabhu preached that "Simply by the saṅkīrtana movement everything will be fulfilled. You need not do anything." So the priest class, brāhmins, they became very much dissatisfied that, "He is inviting Muhammadans and all others . . ."
Because according to Hindu society, except the brāhmins . . . especially in those days, only the brāhmins were considered the highest in the society, and even the kṣatriyas, vaiśyas, they all calculated to . . . in the group of śūdras. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu was allowing everyone—the Muhammadans, the śūdras, the low class, the high class, the brāhmins . . . He was amalgamating everyone.
So these brāhmins, they took objection, "He is making a disastrous movement. The prestige of the brāhmins will go." So they became very much dissatisfied, and they concluded that, "We shall go to the magistrate and file our complaint that He is doing against Hindu religion, and He's crying always 'Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa loudly. The Lord is sleeping. He will be disturbed and there will be disaster, Lord being angry." In this way they filed complaint.
Ask anything, questions.
Hayagrīva: Are there any of the characters listed up here among the brāhmins who complained?
Prabhupāda: No. They complained . . . characters . . . ordinary brāhmins.
Hayagrīva: Yes. All right. Now, I can't think of anything there. That leads into the next scene, third scene.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Then the next scene is that some constables came, and during the hari-saṅkīrtana, they broke the mṛdaṅgas, that "You have disobeyed the magistrate orders that . . . so you cannot do it." So as the constables, they do some, I mean to say, what is called, violence or assault, so they did that.
And after the constables went away Caitanya Mahāprabhu was informed. He came. He saw that the mṛdaṅgas have broken and the everything is strewn away, so Caitanya Mahāprabhu saw. He decided, "All right. Now we shall organize a civil disobedience movement. Now tomorrow we shall organize thousands and thousands of people with mṛdaṅgas, and we shall approach the magistrate house." So He . . .
Next scene . . . what is that next scene?
Hayagrīva: Now the constables broke up a saṅkīrtana carried on by Caitanya's friends. Any location here particular?
Prabhupāda: Yes. It is called the Śrīvāsa house.
Hayagrīva: On a house. At someone's home.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Because in India the village houses, they have got some compound. Not that only fixed house. Every house has got a compound.
Hayagrīva: All right. Very good. Now there's the fourth scene, this is the meeting with the magistrate.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Fourth scene. That . . .
Hayagrīva: They march to the magistrate.
Prabhupāda: Magistrate house, and in the courtyard all the people, they were very much enthusiastic.
Hayagrīva: Several thousand.
Prabhupāda: Several thousand. And they were loudly chanting and meeting Lord . . . so when the chanting was going on, the Chand Kazi appeared and there was discussion between . . . Chand Kazi was also very great scholar, and Lord Caitanya was also scholar. So Chand Kazi, just to pacify them, he addressed Caitanya, "My dear boy, You happen to be my nephew. You are my sister's son. Why You are so angry upon Your maternal uncle?"
Caitanya Mahāprabhu got the clue that he was prepared to make compromise. So He also mildly replied: "Yes, you are My uncle, I know. So because you are My uncle, therefore I have come to your house. How is that when the nephew comes that you do not receive Him? In an angry mood you go upstairs?" So in this way, the situation was pacified. Then they sat together and there was very learned discussion between the two. Because Hindus are always against cow killing. So he was Muhammadan. They were killing cow.
Hayagrīva: Chand . . .
Prabhupāda: Chand Kazi.
Hayagrīva: Muhammadan.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Muhammadan. Chand Kazi was a . . . Maulana Chand Kazi. His name is Maulana Chand Kazi. He was a great scholar in the Quran scripture.