Prabhupāda: If are successful in America, then all over, everywhere it will be followed. (break) So give him some instruction.
Mahāṁśa: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Mahāṁśa: Today one very big minister is gonna come.
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Mahāṁśa: He was a minister. His name is Channa Reddy.
Prabhupāda: Ah.
Mahāṁśa: He used to be running for the chief ministership. He's very, very popular, but there was some mischief he did, for which he was taken to court and exposed.
Prabhupāda: What is that mischief he did?
Mahāṁśa: I don't remember exactly, but he was taken to court and exposed, and he was expelled from entering into any . . .
Prabhupāda: Party.
Mahāṁśa: . . . any elections for five years. So now his period is finishing, his five years is finishing, and he is going to stand again, and it seems that he's very, very popular, he has a good chance. And he's our Life Member . . .
Prabhupāda: Oh, he's our Life Member?
Mahāṁśa: Oh, yes.
Prabhupāda: He studies our books?
Mahāṁśa: Oh, yes, he has taken our books, and he especially asked that, "I am reading these books and please give me." And he attended all the three days of the Exhibition Grounds.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Mahāṁśa: (aside) You maybe remember, no?
Devotee: Yes.
Mahāṁśa: Channa Reddy. He's very nice. He'll be coming today at ten o'clock. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . defect of the modern politicians. Here at the present moment, their philosophy is that one must be very cunning diplomat, then he's successful politician. This is their philosophy. The most crooked man, like Cāṇakya. But our philosophy is that the political head should be like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Lord Rāmacandra. That is difference. Here Churchill or Hitler or similar man, crooked man . . . without being crooked one cannot become politician. Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, he said that "Consistency in politics is the qualification of an ass." Consistency. You must change. (break)
Mahāṁśa: . . . you should never trust a politician. So if you cannot trust a politician, why we elect him as a leader? Why should he be a leader?
Prabhupāda: Yes. No, "Do not trust" means you are also not trustworthy. Nobody trusts you, and you should also not. That is their philosophy. All these big, big politicians . . . just like United Nation. The same philosophy is going on. Nobody trusts anyone, but they speak big, big.