We have to know actually from authentic śāstra what is the actual thing. Śāstra-cakṣusā. You don't see with your these blunt eyes, rascal eyes. We see through the śāstra. That should be. That is real knowledge. What is our capacity of these eyes, these senses? They are all imperfect. So whatever knowledge you gather, the so-called scientists, they are all imperfect. Real perfect knowledge is here, Veda. Vedaiś ca sarvaiḥ. Therefore you should see through the Vedic version what is actually the fact.
So living entity, sarva-ga. Sarva-ga means a living entity can enter anywhere, and the material function is there. Just like we say, "The point has no length, no breadth." Why? I can see point. Why length and . . .? "I have no instrument to measure it." That you say. You cannot say there is no length and breadth. You have no instrument to measure what is the length and breadth of the point. You say . . . similarly, you cannot understand what is the form of God. You say, "Oh, God is false."
But from the śāstra we can understand. Here it is said that rūpaṁ sa ādi-devo jagatāṁ paro guruḥ. Brahmaṇe darśayan rūpam. So if God has no form, how He showed His form to Brahmā? He has form. Brahmā has attained the perfection to see the form of God, and the rascals who have no such perfection, they say, "No form." That is the position. They, with their imperfect senses, all rascal theories, they are thinking that they have become perfect. But they are not perfect. First thing is that the senses with which you are studying, they are imperfect. What is the value of our eyes? Unless there is sunlight, you cannot see. So how can you say that "Our seeing is absolute"? It is relative.
So whatever knowledge we are getting, they're all relative knowledge. Relative means according to my power I am studying, "This is this. This is this." But they are all wrong. You do not know what is actually the position. Therefore the conclusion is that we have to take knowledge from the perfect. Śāstra-cakṣusā. Your eyes should be . . . actually we are doing that. Now, directly we are seeing the sun, we see just like the disk. But when you go through scientific books, geographic and other authorit . . . astronomy, they, "No, the sun is fourteen hundred thousand times bigger than this planet." So actually we are understanding about the sun not by our direct eyes but through the authoritative knowledge, through the śāstra, through the books. Śruti-pramāṇam. That is evidence, śruti-pramāṇam. Śruti means Veda.
In the Vedas it is stated . . . just like Brahmā. He is receiving Vedic knowledge from . . . directly from God, Kṛṣṇa. Brahmaṇe darśayan rūpam. This is the process of understanding. Brahmā, how Brahmā is receiving knowledge? Directly he is not . . . he sees there is nobody there, but he is receiving knowledge. Directly he could not see. Upāśṛṇot. Upāśṛṇot. Upāśṛṇot: "He simply heard." Upāśṛṇot. Ear, not the eyes. So therefore knowledge has to be gathered by aural reception, not by the eyes. My Guru Mahārāja used to say that, "Do not try to see a saintly person. You try to hear a saintly person." If you see a long beard and very strong man, "He is a great sādhu. Oh. That's it." No. You have to hear, what does he speak? Then you understand. Upāśṛṇot. Divyaṁ sahasrābdam.